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  • After breaking another set of mudguards over the christmas break I'm going to see if more expensive guards will help. I've had two different sets of thin aluminium mudguards both of which have broken at the point that the hardware for the stays is mounted - god knows what I do to them.

    I'm currently leaning towards the hammered velo orange guards into which I am going to try and squeeze my 28mm gatorskins. Is this unwise given the guidance of 25mm max in the velo orange gumph?

    http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/vo-hammered-fenders-700c-x-37mm-v2.html

  • I'd says so, I have VO steel mudguard before, it was great but was a fairly tight fit with 27c, perfect on 25c.

    Gille Berthoud 700c steel mudguard are cheaper, and they're quality, required a good amount of concentration and precision, but once you got it sorted, it'll likely to never need readjusting.

    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gilles-berthoud-gilles-berthoud-700c-stainless-steel-mudguards-short-prod18776/

  • Those look like they might a good option - SJS has them in stock but only the short ones. Probably for the best given they are going on my fixed commuter.

  • 40mm sounds wide though

  • What's the max tyres clearance on your frame?

  • found info;

    http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/berthoud.asp

    Fenders of this type (Berthoud Stainless) ought to be a good bit wider than the tires you use. These are designed to wrap down around the sides of the tire, and the metal is rolled underneith so there's no sharp edge exposed. That further reduces the clearance between the fender and tire. So, if you're using the 40mm fender, you'll want to use tires no wider than about 25mm

    The bold part is why I find my steel mudguard a little tricky whether the SKS I used to have were fine with 27c tyres (but water run off the wall rather than channel through both end).

  • They are going on my pompino - 32mm according to the on-one website.

  • As it says in the bit you've highlighted, they're rolled to prevent sharp edges. With the amount of water the tyres spray up inside the guards and the size of those channels, I don't suppose much of it drains through them to the end of the mudguard. Would have thought they'd mention it if it were an intended feature. Also judging by the inside of my SKS, after just a few days wet commuting, I reckon they must get clogged up pretty quick.

  • I don't have any reference to that but all I can find is Jan Heine's comment about it;

    The biggest surprise were the aluminum fenders. Not only did they offer more coverage, but they also kept the water inside, rather than have it drip from the edges. My feet (and my bike’s chain) stayed much drier and cleaner.

    in comparison to the plastic mudguards.

  • The sizing of raceblades is extremely conservative. Had tried a friends pair on my bike (32mm tyres) and they fitted fine. He wasn't sure of the size, so order the XL's as they state max size is 32mm. But it turns my assumption on the size of his pair was wrong and the smalls will actually fit up to 32mm.

  • The sizing of tyres is extremely conservative.

    fixed.

    largely depend on manufacturer's claim width.

  • That statement is true for plus or minus a couple of mm, but a small race blade (max. recommended size 23mm) fit a 28mm Marathon with comfortable room to spare.

    I thought I had 32mm Marathons.

  • If you have vertical space to spare, the wraparound on a fender won't be much of a factor. And I still call bullshit on the draining capacity of the rolled edges on Berthoud-like fenders. The reason for less splashing on the metal ones vs SKS and the like is the way the stays are attached to the metal or plastic; those points are where the majority of excess water comes out.

  • what's the best mudguard i can get which doesn't need a drilled rear brake hole? for 25c

  • I'd says so, I have VO steel mudguard before, it was great but was a fairly tight fit with 27c, perfect on 25c.

    Gille Berthoud 700c steel mudguard are cheaper, and they're quality, required a good amount of concentration and precision, but once you got it sorted, it'll likely to never need readjusting.

    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gilles-berthoud-gilles-berthoud-700c-stainless-steel-mudguards-short-prod18776/

    I've had these, bought from from SJS for s few years now. They are a colossal faff to fit requiring cutting and drilling. A very tight fit with 28c (I also had to file then end off bolts inside the guards to avoid tyre rubbage with 28c Randos) but once properly attached and fettled they have been great. Rattle free, really good protection and look ace. I've moved them between frames without having to drastically modify too.

  • Gilles mudguards ordered - will let you know how i get on when they arrive.

  • Hammered VO 32mm guards can just fit 28mm paselas. They're pretty tight so you get rubbing if they get knocked locking up. Work amazingly well and heaps of room with 25s.

  • Gilles mudguards ordered - will let you know how i get on when they arrive.

  • Recently gave in a bought some Crud Road Racer MK2s. I'd been using the absolutely useless Ass Saver after someone nicked my SKS X3, which was good enough at keeping my back/saddle dry, but couldn't do anything about my legs and feet.

    Although the Cruds were quite fiddly to get on, I didn't lose it like other stuff has caused me to - the O-ring system seems to be particularly effective.

    The clearances on my bike are VERY tight, though. However - and admittedly I've not had them on there long - they've barely ever brushed the tyres despite 2mm clearance at best. I'm concerned that a build up of dirt will affect this over time, but so far so good.

  • Right, what are the tightest fitting mudguards that I can get for 28c tyres?

  • Why do you want them to be tight fitting?
    If they run really tight to the tyre any crap that gets caught between the tyre and the guard will just start to rub, or jam the tyre.
    You want the largest clearance between the tyre and guard your frame will allow as long as the mudguard also still works as a mudguard.

  • Vanity, is the answer.

    However, I just found these:

    Which are for 32c tyres, so I need a mudguard that will fit with a 28c tyre on a 23mm rim with these forks.

  • Mudguards and vanity? ffs.
    SKS narrow.
    In silver.

  • race blades (narrows) fit a 28mm marathon

  • Right, what are the tightest fitting mudguards that I can get for 28c tyres?

    The SKS P35 Chromoplastic with it's max clearance of 28c which is pretty tricky and may required you to spend quite some time flaffing about.

    Having said that, I managed to have a tight clearance with mine and have yet any rubs for the last 10 months, so plastic is doable abet heavy.

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