Fakenger/messenger conflict escalates!

It's not just in London

http://www.messmagazine.net/ecmc/registration.html

it's looking like the gaza strip conflict, nobady wana loose coz the pride is at stake!
Fuck the pride i left my country to skip 10 months of military service in some parachute infantry battallion....suckers.
THe weird thing is that all the couriers i've met so far are well nice, i think this whole fakenger thing started out of a funny joke to some oversensitive emo geek and kept escalating, how many people really care?

I don't. Couriers are really nice. If you feed them sugarcubes.

yep, steph your right , at he end of the day we are all cyclists and should get along,and fuck that bollox...

it's fair enough.

you wouldn't just turn up at a bmx race on an mtb and expect to be let in.

I get the feeling that the "conflict" is Bill's very own little tabletop war, in which he commands both armies ;)

and "wannabes" ? surely if you "want" to be a messenger you just go and try to get a job couriering?

why the fuck would anyone want to copy couriers!? you don't think they smell like that out of choice do you?

ah, I'm just jealous cos I'm too old to be either.

Yeah, too right. Btw i think i spotted you in camden earlier, Jos? Didn't get a chance to say hello properly.

Yep, you passed before I realised it was you.

Jos Yep, you passed before I realised it was you.

yeah,........ that's the second time he's passed you...;^)

Just for the record, i honestly don't know who won that race b/c the finish line was not clear. Since you don't remember, Jos, i was in front when you attacked at me at the finish. Well, it was definately close! I'm up for it again, lemme know of any future races?

Vrede.

RPM
I get the feeling that the "conflict" is Bill's very own little tabletop war, in which he commands both armies ;)

thinks: shit, I've been rumbled<

No, no, no, no. What an outrageous accusation! Are you suggesting that I am fomenting discord and disorder for my own amusement?

I for one wouldn't be surprised.....you dirty evil genius

Buffalo Bill [quote]

thinks: shit, I've been rumbled<

No, no, no, no. What an outrageous accusation! Are you suggesting that I am fomenting discord and disorder for my own amusement?

Come on man, it was all quite clearly writen tongue in cheek. That is one of thing I like about your writing style Bill.rase an issue and then take ths piss.

Bill:

On a side note do you know if there is anywhere to rase isuues over designs of particular junctions? I ask you as your involvment with other cycling issues like the left turning hgv issue.

Depends. If it's a trunk road then it's a national thing, so Department for Transport, if not then local authority.

The best place to start is your local borough group of the LCC (if in London) or the CTC (if not).

Don't like the rules....put on your own event!
the organiser is putting on a courier event, what's wrong with that? it's an event for couriers I don't understand the problem??

I think it seems like that is the concenus. I don't think anyone is really offended. I am def not. Like you say, it his party so to speak he can do what he wants.

winston Don't like the rules....put on your own event!
the organiser is putting on a courier event, what's wrong with that? it's an event for couriers I don't understand the problem??

Quite. Some day I might organise a tenpin bowling match for me and my colleagues. Does that mean it should be open to anybody? Not really. What about inter-office 5-a-side football games. They wouldn't expect random people to wander in off the street and demand to play. It's all stupid. If couriers want to race couriers, then why should anyone else demand to join? I give up.

I'm guessing the only problem here is that the alleycats are publicly announced on the Internet - that way whoever gets to hear about it is going to want to join.

ps. i'm guessing the london fakengers organisation is some kind of joke.

It's a joke!

Dam I met this guy in a pub who said he was head of it, he said if I joined my view and rights to fake would be represented, all I had to do was pay £50 a year subs and I would recive further instructions. Dose this mean I have been had?

damn, he got "you" too???

I can't believe that twenty years after I stopped couriering
it is still 'cool' to be a courier
anyone who has ever done it day in day out for years on end
will tell you that it is hard, dirty and dangerous to be a courier

Yeah, It WAS hard, dirty and dangerous 20 years ago.

But now it's easy, clean and safe.

Messengers today just don't even know they were born.

And as for the fakengers? Don't even get me started.

i've enjoyed 'racing' (a bit of a strong word given my fitness levels) a few alleycats now, and have had no problem handing over the ££££s to enter knowing that i have no chance of coming close to winning.

the problem i have with this situation is not with someone wanting to organise a race for just messengers but that it may lead to many others doing the same for no other reason than prejudice against non messengers.

i started to ride a fixed gear bike because i found the whole concept interesting, now i have been riding fixed for around two years and my enthusiasm shows no sign of wavering. i do not ride fixed for cool points or to try to infiltrate the 'messenger scene' and its pretty tiring to be judged as a fake or poser.

Buffalo Bill Yeah, It WAS hard, dirty and dangerous 20 years ago.

But now it's easy, clean and safe.

Messengers today just don't even know they were born.

And as for the fakengers? Don't even get me started.

ha ha

Courier races for couriers - that simple really, the majority of non-messengers seem dismissive of that whole scene anyway, why should they participate?
Doing/having done that job confers a privilge to enter, like a club with tiered membership, whats wrong with that?

I think everyone agrees with that.

exactly when/where did a non-messenger ever did speak out at not being allowed to enter a courier race.?.

In all seriousness, the only reason that Selim said that non-messengers (and he didn't use the 'f' word) shouldn't enter was because the prize was a trip to the Cycle Messenger World Champs. That's the only reason.

And he posted the info on Moving Target, a courier web-site (albeit one which is enjoyed by all right-minded cycling folk).

I and the unknown wag responsible for the LBFA blog manufactured this palava between us.

With a lot of help from you, of course.