RLJ (Red Light Jumping). (The definitive bikeradar thread)

120 Days of Sodom, and comparing it to Pier Paolo Pasolini's recently un-banned film Salo which is based on the book. The film is so-so, and has some dark moments, but the subject matter isn't handled very well.
The book is better, but some times I get the feeling that De Sade was writing like a teenager out to shock. It's got its merits but I don't think it's all its hype.

Fail.

Salo was never intended to be an accurate biopic of de sade's novel. Pasolini used its framework yes, but Salo is primarily an anti-fascist film.

actually, anti-fascist is the biggest understatement possible. The film is very possibly the best ever example of the use of cinema as an insult. No wonder it got Pasolini run over (by his own car).

The Origen of all this punning would seem to lie in the thread title ...

Some very good work here, but let's stop deGrayling this thread with meta-philosophy, shall we? I'll cry Wolff if there's any more of that.

I'm a bit soft me and always stop at lights, better not to risk jumping and have some white van deconstructing your ride.

De Sade's Justine is a better book. The "Dialogue between a priest and a dying man " is interesting. 120 Days of Sodom was lost in manuscript when the Bastille was stormed. Sade was moved out a day before. What we have now are note that he tried to recreate and not the finished work. Bit harsh to damn his work based upon that.

30 years ago, I read the complete works of Sade. Well, I was a student and it was more interesting than reading law books. I also saw Salo at that time just after having a cream tea at the original Patisserie Valerie in Old Compton Street.

Fail.

Salo was never intended to be an accurate biopic of de sade's novel. Pasolini used its framework yes, but Salo is primarily an anti-fascist film.

actually, anti-fascist is the biggest understatement possible. The film is very possibly the best ever example of the use of cinema as an insult. No wonder it got Pasolini run over (by his own car).

I never said it was inaccurate, because you're right, it's not accurate to the novel, it could never cover the amount of stories described in the novel. But I don't think the content (rather than the subversive subtext) was handled very well. It's a very interesting film, meta-cinematically (does that exist as a thing?) due to it's subtext and the context of its creation.

It certainly ruffled some feathers, apparently his death was a hit by Italian Fascists.

Arendt you ever going to stop these ridiculous puns? Knowing lots of names of philosophers doesn't make anyone seem smarter.

Arendt you ever going to stop these ridiculous puns? Knowing lots of names of philosophers doesn't make anyone seem smarter.

Well ok, but would you care to point out any other use for this thread?

Completely agree, knowing how to Google is clearly the real test of intelligence.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=list+of+philosophers

Arendt you ever going to stop these ridiculous puns? Knowing lots of names of philosophers doesn't make anyone seem smarter.

Well ok, but would you care to point out any other use for this thread?

Well I'm fine with the puns, as long as some substantive comment is made about how the philosopher would respond to the question of cycling through a red light.

For example:

I'm not sHayek at red lights - I run right through them - because I believe the state has no place intervening in my personal cycling pursuits.

Or:

Of Coase I run red lights if there are no cars coming or pedestrians in the way - the absence of transaction costs allows me to break the law with impunity (provided no police are around).

Well ok, but would you care to point out any other use for this thread?

Scat porn maybe?

Some very good work here, but let's stop deGrayling this thread with meta-philosophy, shall we? I'll cry Wolff if there's any more of that.

Kripke! How did I miss this thread.

Oliver, wondered when you would Godel up to take us all to Tarski?

I think we can agree that RLJing is a rather Irigaray area, like the brakes debate. In my case, I like to have my brake lever ready-to-hand at all times, rather than having to use my will to power a skidding stop. I find this fits my form of life.

However, it seems preferable to allow people to seek their own highest ideal in these instances. Just as long as we can avoid spending too much time on these Frege-ing debates that often end up in a Bataille of preferences.

It's much safer Turing your bell.

Of course, but make sure you fix it to your handlebars with suitable Bell Hooks.

When I jum a red light I always make sure I Jelles out loud

I'll only jump red lights when nobody is Bloch-ing the road.

Anyone who jumps red lights must be a right McGinn s

You Counts are a Freud to Holt at lights whereas a Goodman would Derrida those Farrakhan Gadamer Wang Yang-ming RLJ’ers

Philosophy?

I'm not arguing that it isn't a poor system, but I get edgy when people dismiss theories with no real justification. Happened to Nietzsche for years and years, and I'm a huge fan of his. I guess you can chalk me up as one of those silly people (although I'm under no illusions about being some superman myself).

I'm not going to criticize you for not studying her, I can't say I've gone into HUGE depth, no-one has the time to study everyone properly.

You study or just an interested party?

Sorry, that wasn't a jab at you. Ayn Rand followers just bug me (perhaps in the same way Nietzsche didn't like Platonists, but was more forgiving towards Plato... Except not really. I still think she's annoying).

But yeah, Nietzsche had some trouble, but that was different from what's happened with Rand (I fucking hope!). She has influenced some 'proper' (libertarian) philosophers, but they're always the first ones to dismiss her as a (again) 'proper' philosopher. Nietzsche inspired people who would do anything they could to get their names next to his. But he would have dismissed them, had he the chance (well, with some exceptions...).

I study. Philosophy/intellectual history in skool, innit. You?

Well I'm fine with the puns, as long as some substantive comment is made about how the philosopher would respond to the question of cycling through a red light.

For example:

I'm not sHayek at red lights - I run right through them - because I believe the state has no place intervening in my personal cycling pursuits.

Or:

Of Coase I run red lights if there are no cars coming or pedestrians in the way - the absence of transaction costs allows me to break the law with impunity (provided no police are around).

Nice! This thread just got better!

A gothic philosophy on traffic lights:

Emerald signal the green on black
The lights say move say never look back
And so I find a place where I've never been seen
Find another place where the red turns green
Where the emerald glistens through the darkness again
Where the emerald glistens through the rain

I'm ayer going to jump it or stop

Sorry, that wasn't a jab at you. Ayn Rand followers just bug me (perhaps in the same way Nietzsche didn't like Platonists, but was more forgiving towards Plato... Except not really. I still think she's annoying).

But yeah, Nietzsche had some trouble, but that was different from what's happened with Rand (I fucking hope!). She has influenced some 'proper' (libertarian) philosophers, but they're always the first ones to dismiss her as a (again) 'proper' philosopher. Nietzsche inspired people who would do anything they could to get their names next to his. But he would have dismissed them, had he the chance (well, with some exceptions...).

I study. Philosophy/intellectual history in skool, innit. You?

That's understandable, I don't paticularly like die-hard Rand fans, they always get a little sneery. No worries, never taken personally with Philosophy.

Nietzsche has always seemed to inspire the worst kind of people, he spoke out in his life against anti-semitists and nationalist elements using his work to give philosophical backing to their agenda. It's sad that fascism is always coupled with some unthinking hatred on race/religious/national lines.

I study philosophy at Uni, although I am failing because the course is mind-numbingly dull and the city is sapping my soul out.

Occam on guys, this is getting a bit old.