NJS: What's the point?

the stamped 'NJS' on components reduces the overall weight of a bike 0.001%.

Stamping the logo merely displaces some metal from one position to another. Nothing is added, nothing is taken away, the weight remains the same.

Or, if you want to get down to atom counting, the steel dies used for stamping wear out, but they don't acquire accretions of aluminium, suggesting that maybe some iron is actually added to the component, making it heavier. The same goes for NJS stamped tubulars; ink is deposited on the tyre casing, making NJS tubs heavier than they were before they got scrutineered.

Does a car become more desirable because it was MOT approved?

No,only when it's NJS approved.

so many good points, i don't know what to think. on the one hand njs is nice, on the other, it isn't. i guess there's no right answer.

I thought the point of brits buying NJS was so that you could wax lyrical to your non cycling friends down at the pub,

"oh yeah, its fully specced with japanese race standard parts, had to order them in specially, and found particular problems getting the annodized colours (omitting to tell them that they lose their njs certification after colouration). keirin is the cycling equivalent of samurai warriors its really really cool."
friend looks quizzical
"and its so amazing to ride, these parts are designed for really strong riders, so despite being made for use on the track they are fine on the road too"
friend - "but do you ever race and are you going to race in japan"

"nah but if i ever needed to i'd be ready"

of course njs does not impress your cycling friends, they just know its njs, meets a certain standard that is set to maintain relatively fair competition in a japanese gambling league

Fuck's sake you morons, hardly anyone on this thread has grasped a simple concept. Read Jos's post.

Don't you need to able ride a kilometre under 1min 10secs to be able to use NJS?
I'm unable to perform this feat so i can't purchase NJS stuff.

Don't you need to able ride a kilometre under 1min 10secs to be able to use NJS?
I'm unable to perform this feat so i can't purchase NJS stuff.

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and an 11.4 200m on old bendy steel frames and 36 hole spokeys, outside...

That's to enter the School though, not to use the parts. I believe you can also pay to get into the school if you do not meet the entry requirements. (there are other tests)

fuck's sake you morons, hardly anyone on this thread has grasped a simple concept. Read jos's post.

pow!

so many good points, i don't know what to think. on the one hand njs is nice, on the other, it isn't. i guess there's no right answer.

...like smyth said; weak mind.

omitting to tell them that they lose their njs certification after colouration

not true, a least not of lockrings.

anal.

NJS isn't about look. It's about levelling a playing field so betting can be against the riders over the bikes, and to help protect an industry.

I'll swallow a line saying "guaranteed base level of quality", but not one saying that you buy NJS for a vintage look and feel.

yeah these wopuld fit right in on a classic build:

whereas these would not:

Neither would these:

^ Boner City.

friend - "but do you ever race and are you going to race in japan"

"nah but if i ever needed to i'd be ready"

Ha. :-)

Fuck's sake you morons, hardly anyone on this thread has grasped a simple concept.* Read Jos's post.*

Yep. That is the reason this thread was so short the first time round... Didn't even need discussing!

NJS only means that it's been approved by the Nihon Jitensha Shinkokai or the japanese keirin association. NJS as a trademark was invented way back in the 50's or 60's which is the reason we are still riding 36 hole hubs.....Back then it was to make sure every rider was competing with equal material as not to make the betting unfair.

So hence....nowadays it doesn't really mean anything, not when you're riding your bike on the street anyway. It certainly doesn't mean anything along the lines off superieur quality above other track components.

Thanks Jos.

closes thread

Is this thread NJS?

No - most definitely not

njs

nob jockey society

so it is an njs thread

I have NJS toe clips.

Nob jockey toe clips

cocks belted tight to feet - clearly a specialist interest

Someone on the forum says this perfectly;

NJS - Nice Japanese Shit

NOS - Nice Old Shit.

For kids in Japan njs stuff doesn't have the cache it has abroad, and recently the foreign made stuff seems to be more popular. The trend being towards trick frames and aluminium/carbon frames. Njs frames are getting cheaper here, and the parts are generally easy to get and reasonably priced but the exchange rates are going the other way so i doubt this will make too much difference in the UK. I think everyone wants what is rare.

I think everyone wants what is rare.

not everyone wants an overpriced previously crashed spangly painted imported frame to ride on the road so they can feel good about themselves and receive plaudits from their peers. not everyone is that much of a mug.

good point well made MrSmyth, but it is undeniable that scarcity tends to increased demand, both in japan and in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter), hence the kudos (deserving or not) that these imported bikes tend to receive. Apologies for all the brackets.