Bike porn

PEACE OUT KIDS

I have difficulty not believing mdcc is a sociopath

A distaste for spurious and unsubstantiated claims from product manufacturers doesn't make me a sociopath. Other things might...

rates fairly highly on the autism scale

As one autist to another, you may not always recognise, as the NTs consistently don't, when I have my tongue firmly in my cheek, but at least you'll understand how that comes about.

I dont love Cervelos btw, there mainly ridden by dicks that couldnt handle a pedalo, just my 2p

:)

....And so another frame builder with years of experience...leaves the forum.

Last year I invited Richard Sachs to the forum after an appropriate thread popped up.

He responded to say he'd take a look around but I don't think he ever joined.

I ofter wondered if he was here would he receive the respect due a revered master builder, or if everyone who knows more about frame design than him would say some stupid shit to make him leave.

I ofter wondered if he was here would he receive the respect due a revered master builder

As with anybody, it would depend on his behaviour. Don Walker didn't respect the etiquette of this thread, Dave Porter made claims for product performance he couldn't back up. Other frame builders and product manufacturers have got along fine here. Respect cuts both ways.

Cool, any more?

Cranks ruin it though

photo aftersome quality triathlete cornering?

WTF is with all this arguing. This thread is for pornographic materials, debating steel frame vs. steel frame can >>>>>>

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As with anybody, it would depend on his behaviour. Don Walker didn't respect the etiquette of this thread, Dave Porter made claims for product performance he couldn't back up. Other frame builders and product manufacturers have got along fine here. Respect cuts both ways.

In case you hadn't noticed, this thread has no fucking etiquette!

You're not the judge, jury, and executioner, Dave Porter wasn't on trial, and he wasn't trying to sell his frames to anybody.
He had no need to back up his claims any more than he did.
You didn't treat him with respect right from the start.
You were in attack mode as soon as he began to defend his design.
Read your responses to everything he said...that wasn't respect or etiquette.

Every frame, component, and bike builder on the market makes claims about their kit being strongest, fastest, lightest, whatever...they don't have to come and run their facts and figures past mdcc tester before people are allowed to like them, and their claims are also largely unsubstantiated.
Even if they showed facts and figures, it would mean nothing to most people.

The guy designed a bike, the bike was ridden, people broke some records on them...there is no need to then produce lab work results to go with it just to please a couple of people on LFGSS.
Likewise, there is no need for people on LFGSS to cross examine everything he then says because he chooses not to.

A big part of treating people with respect is knowing when to shut the fuck up and realize that you've said enough.

That point for me is right here.

My apologies to everyone else for harping on and distracting from the pictures.

excellent post.

repost.