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The anti-compact geometry.

cycle around them?

Or jump 'em.

if that cinelli is aluminum, pot holes must be horrendous?

aluminum being stiff doesn't make it uncomfortable, it depend on how the framebuilder build/design it rather.

(as nail said, just cycle around them, even if you have an MTB).

In this case with form over function?

#notabikedesigner

Near perfect. Shall I close the thread?

yes please do

The anti-compact geometry.

I don't think anti-compact is necessarily stiffer than compact, otherwise I'm sure a lot of manufacturers would offer anti-compact frames, which is quite the opposite of the current trend.

Compact offers a stiffer frameset but then you have seatpost flex which gives some comfort.

Yep, as oz says.

So in this case it's the other way around, you reduce seatpost flex at the cost of frame stiffness. So it all kind of equals out except the anti-compact geo of the Mash uses a lot more material which adds unnecessary weight which means Mash is still fail but pot holes aren't more of a hazard.

Potholes are more a hazard to your rims and innertubes than to yourself. Alu will transfer more vibration than a steel or carbon frame but it has different benefits

Yep happy to close thread. Mash made it in.

That Look is neat, but I think it's the fine tarmac that sells it.

Btw anti-compact, did you just come up with that? I just realised I adopted the term without thinking lolz

So in this case it's the other way around, you reduce seatpost flex at the cost of frame stiffness. So it all kind of equals out except the anti-compact geo of the Mash uses a lot more material which adds unnecessary weight which means Mash is still fail but pot holes aren't more of a hazard.

No. Less stiff if anything.

This explains the main motivations for compact geo.

Not mentioned is the slight comfort benefits you can get with a long exposed carbon seatpost.

Btw anti-compact, did you just come up with that? I just realised I adopted the term without thinking lolz

Yes. And it's anti-compact™ to you.

:)

Potholes are more a hazard to your rims and innertubes than to yourself. Alu will transfer more vibration than a steel or carbon frame but it has different benefits

I know all this don't worry. I was the one saying that pot holes aren't more hazardous to a Mash than a comparable bike without the anti-compact geo. Owning a steel, alu and carbon road bike I know using different materials with diferent characteristics as far as stiffness goes doesn't necessarily affect comfort.

Having both anti compact and compact I can concur the anti compact is murda. (faster)

(faster)

You mean looks faster?

No. Less stiff if anything.

This explains the main motivations for compact geo.

Not mentioned is the slight comfort benefits you can get with a long exposed carbon seatpost.

Yeah that's what I'm saying, the mash frame reduces seatpost flex but the frame is less stiff.

Having both anti compact and compact I can concur the anti compact is murda. (faster)

As much as I admire your courage for coming in here and admit you have a Mash I really doubt this somehow. Is your other bike a Vigorelli perchance? A direct comparison between the two might convince me.

Maintained average about 3-5mph more on anti-compact. (On flat)

Something to do with being over the pedals more than aero i think.

Other is Giant TCR btw.

I like very much how your all using anti-compact™ but you all owe me royalties.

Ordinata i've got a Giant TCR and have to put the saddle quite far forward because the ST is something like 72.5° (or something pretty slack/comfy).

Mine is not far off limit (Forward). Still Mash geo faster for me on flat. No doubt.

I figure the angle of the top tube isn't the only difference between the TCR and Mash. If you own both bikes right now, I doubt they're set up the same way. If the Mash replaced the TCR, you've probably gotten better at cycling. I refuse to believe an anti-compact™ (sorry miro) bike will be faster than the exact same bike with horizontal or compact top tube.

Is the TCR a track frame? I recently bought myself one of those (early 2000's if I'm not mistaken) in mint condition really, haven't built it up yet though.