Bad traders

I don't sell that much stuff on here and I am not trying to make a profit out of anyone. I bought the frame for myself in addition to something else from an eBay seller and paid £300 for it. It turns out it's not for me and I decided to sell it. I didn't know it was listed elsewhere and I am sorry if It seems like I was taking the piss.

I concur that Bec is sound, if people feel the price is too high, then says it.

I posted in this thread, because while I was writing in reply to the ad it was closed.

From what WjPrince and Ed have written Bec is not a bad trader, in which case I would like to apologise.

However, there were good grounds for suspecting it was a bad trade and there still are:

• the frame advertised here and the frame advertised on Gumtree are one and the same: apart from the identical spec and condition, as I pointed out, the NDS BB cup and lockring are aligned *exactly *the same in relation to each other and in relation to the frame;
  
• the Gumtree ad was only *listed *25 days ago, which made it look very much like it was being "flipped" within a month for a 100% mark-up;
  
• instead of responding to these concerns, the ad was abruptly closed which suggests she could not argue her case;
  
• the Gumtree ad has been deleted within the last hour, which further complicates the situation: clearly whoever posted that ad is on here and is trying to conceal something.
  
  

To me, it seems that here are three possible scenarios:
1) Bec bought the frame "in addition to something else from an eBay seller and paid £300 for it", then offered it here for a mark-up of at least 33%;
2) Bec bought the frame from the Gumtree ad and offered it here for a mark-up of 100%;
3) Bec tried to sell the frame on Gumtree for £200, then offered it here for £400.

Whichever one of these is the case, I don't think the upset her ad caused is unwarranted: the price (in light of the above) was too high and we did say so.

Thanks for your kind comments guys, I am decent seller and its nice to have you stick up for me. I guess I should have listed it for £300 although it still would have ended up at this point as I didn't know it was being advertised on gumtree. I have contacted the guy to ask if he had listed it elsewhere, not that it will do much good. I guess i have lost out for paying £100 more for it.

To me, it seems that here are three possible scenarios:
1) Bec bought the frame "in addition to something else from an eBay seller and paid £300 for it", then offered it here for a mark-up of at least 33%;
2) Bec bought the frame from the Gumtree ad and offered it here for a mark-up of 100%;
3) Bec tried to sell the frame on Gumtree for £200, then offered it here for £400.

1. Based on forum etiquette it is bad form but bad trader? There are many on here who buy from jumbles and then sell here for a profit. It takes time and money to get to jumble, clean them and repair them if needed. Bec didn't go to a jumble but just got it off the internet but hey I don't think there is any rules against grabbing a bargain on the bay and then try to flip it on for a profit. It's not like she got something on here for a bargain and then flipped it for a profit elsewhere.
   
2. Re: 1.
   
3. This is breaking the rules of the forum but to call someone a bad trader for breaking the 'exclusive to this forum' rule, this thread would be littered with such cases. There is also a mod request thread where the 'exclusive to the forum' rule breaker can be more appropriately dealt with >>>>>>>>>> http://www.lfgss.com/thread48164-259.html
   

1. Scilly has already said bad trade more than bad trader.
   
2. Re 1.
   
3. As far as I'm aware they weren't up at the same time so not against that rule.
   

Isn't someone who does bad trade = bad trader? You drunk otter, go home!

Good question, but I feel only if the trader themselves make it difficult.

You never burnt something while cooking? Does that make you a bad cook?

Scoble:

Yep, I agree too. Have had certain parts arrive in unexpected conditions but worked it out with the other side and reached an amicable solution.

Otters, read this if you have not:

I would like to know about bad traders on LFGSS.

This shouldn't apply to those who don't respond to you instantly... you may just be being impatient and sellers have lives too.

And if something goes wrong, you should give them the chance to correct it in any reasonable way.

Assumptions for buyers: Unless you used PayPal to specify you were purchasing goods... you should accept the risk.

Assumptions for sellers: Unless you ship recorded delivery... you might lose your item and money. Don't ever expect someone to 'gift' payment.

LFGSS always recommends in-person exchanges over postal for items sold through classifieds.

Anyhow... if anyone has consistently shown bad service, or acted fraudulently, then I would like to:
1) Name and shame to encourage them to resolve it.
2) Failing a resolution, ban them.

I'm also interested in purging the forum of sellers who provide no server or contribution to the forum in any form yet continue to spam the forum with their goods.

Anyhow... feel free to report such stuff to me, or to post it in this thread. Basically... I want you all to police this stuff, and for me to be the enforcer where applicable... and eventually once we figure out what to do with bad traders for me to make other people enforcers.

And yeah the mods thread is there for breaking the listing rules (asking for an auction, not offered exclusively here etc.) so if you miss my previous post here it is again >>>>>>>>>> http://www.lfgss.com/thread48164-259.html

You never burnt something while cooking? Does that make you a bad cook?

a bad cook would try and pass it off as some high gourmet shit rather than ditch it and start again/get takeaway.

Cooking thread>>>>

I must say I am quite an accomplished cook. When I cook, I bloody cook and not leave the kitchen. Whether a meal is brilliant or just good is more than just ingredients, it's down to the details, whether you put in the effort to make it good, making sure the fire is just right, there is enough liquid to let it simmer and not dry out, not letting the dough rise for too long is why a meal made by someone with years of experience cooking is much better than your attempt with the same recipe without any experience.

Yeah, I have burnt stuff while cooking but that's because of lack of experience and not because I am a bad cook. I am bloody Asian and I pin rolled a panzerotti base (and pizza base, yet to learn the hand toss skill though) much better than my Italian guests who told me I can't do it right. Years of working on something > I've seen it done before and have helped my mom out once or twice.

You never burnt something while cooking? Does that make you a bad cook?

Yeah well I've got a Michelin star.

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One you bought? Pffftttt... ;)

I know you're a good cook, that's why I used that analogy(and not a polo one ;) ), but you've also burned something once or twice, didn't make you a bad cook, just as one bad trade does not always mean a bad trader.

Like that time you thought you could use cayenne pepper instead of black pepper in a tomato sauce.

Oh wait, that was me.

Burnt food doesnt always equal bad food, burnt food is usually down to being inexperienced or just being distracted but if you serve burnt food well in the know it is such, then it is bad food. Also happens with people who can't be arsed to do it right or when pointed out or just too thick to take suggestions and pointers on how to improve their dish and comes up with tonnes of excuses.

It's reflected in the first post of this thread. Try to resolve a bad trade first with the seller, if not then name and shame. There wasn't even a trade with bec's case, let alone a bad one, just something suspicious, could have been dealt with better in many other ways rather than ending up here.

Re: Case of rock lobster with massive dent, now that's a bad trade.

I know you're a good cook, that's why I used that analogy(and not a polo one ;) ), but you've also burned something once or twice, didn't make you a bad cook, just as one bad trade does not always mean a bad trader.

the Gumtree ad has been deleted within the last hour, which further complicates the situation: clearly whoever posted that ad is on here and is trying to conceal something.
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Anyone used madgetts cycles before?

I've been in there a few times. Nice folks and they have some lush bikes for sale. Proper old school bike cave. Don't belong in the Bad Traders thread in my opinion!

Anyone used madgetts cycles before?

Madgetts, how do they work?

I've been in there a few times. Nice folks and they have some lush bikes for sale. Proper old school bike cave. Don't belong in the Bad Traders thread in my opinion!

Sorry I am new and posted in the wrong place. I was thinking of ordering a frame from them but never heard of them until a google search.

Let's go with polo and say having one bad game does not make you a bad player, you probably need a few more games to tell, a few people have popped up to say the trader was usually cool so may well have a bad trade rather than a bad trader.

Otters, this is dragging on and I rather not keep bumping this thread.

A bad player at polo could be from a wider range of reasons compared to the handful of reasons someone being called out as a bad trader, hence it is not an equal comparison.

That said, if we narrow it down to foul wise, if you turned into someone unintentionally, it's a bad move, not a bad player, but if you intentionally turn into someone and keep doing it even after being called out then I would say bad player.

Being called out for bad trade for a trade which as far as I know didnt happen in the bad traders' thread is pretty harsh. All this for breaking the 'exclusive to the forum' rule which is no longer the case after the thread was closed and still have you name dragged in mud.

People make mistakes, but to scrutinise/question whether it is right to make a profit or not from a bargain is a bit OTT TBH. It's your stuff, you decide what to do with it.