Bad traders

I'm basically defending them, you came in saying bad trader. The exclusive thing was never a problem as I didn't think they were up at the same time. The problem was flipping it for profit, so bad form and maybe a bad trade or attempt at one, not a bad trader as people have already stuck up for them.

I think we should stop bumping this thread.

Oh, wait...

This is lfgss

Stop bumping it.

Whoops.

Shit.

Bad snots

Sorry.

Bollocks.

If you have yet to notice, the title of this thread is Bad Traders and what's the problem with profit taking thy holy one? Is there something in the classifieds rules which states profit taking is wrong?

Both ads were up at the same time based on this post: http://www.lfgss.com/post3918167-8.html, get your bloody facts right and the post which started all this was made after the thread was closed. Seller apologised and closed the thread and still gets called out, pretty much against the steps outlined in the first post.

who is bad trader?

What is mullet?

When is gumtree?

I have so many questions that nobody wants to answer. I'm so alone and confused.

As I said initially, I only posted here because the sales thread was closed before I could post my reply.

As I subsequently said, in light of those vouching for Bec, it seems she is not a bad *trader *per se (someone with a track record of screwing people) and apologised for suggesting otherwise (by posting in this thread).

Whether a "bad trade" necessarily defines someone as a "bad trader" or not is semantics and an aside to the complaint that the frame was being sold for an excessive profit.

Agreed, it is not contrary to any of the forum rules (or any in "real life") to do this and there are no doubt others who regularly trade at a profit.

However it is, by common consent, contrary to the ethos of the forum and anyone doing so runs the risk of being "called out", which does regularly happen.

The Classifieds' rules state "The Classifieds forum is provided to enable members of the community to carry out transactions with other members of the community." and again in the summary "Classifieds are intended to be intra-community.".

From the repeated use of the word "community", it's reasonable to infer that the Classifieds are intended as a platform for "mates' rates" deals.

If, in real life, you tried to rinse a pal and they found out, you would expect them to be pissed-off.

This is the standard by which I trade on here and I know I'm not alone in that. There are plenty of alternatives by which to maximise your return: no doubt others don't, but they have no cause for complaint if this is not welcomed.

I would like to stay on this forum as I enjoy what it has to offer and over the years it has been invaluable source of knowledge when building up bikes. I bought the frame for myself and didn't know it was listed on gumtree, neither did I list on there either. Sure I posted it for £100 more than I bought it and I apologise for that, I probably would have ended up selling it for £350 or less just to cover my costs as I am not making a business out of selling stuff. I will stick it on eBay and hope to get the £300 I spent and will put it down to experience.

I am happy to make another donation to the forum and will shortly be listing a load of freecycle stuff that is taking up space and could be put to good use by someone else. I hope that people will see I'm not out to screw anyone over or be misleading and that if I ever sell anything again it's not to make an unfair profit.

I don't think you did much wrong at all. Lfgss shitstorminateacup

If you have yet to notice, the title of this thread is Bad Traders and what's the problem with profit taking thy holy one? Is there something in the classifieds rules which states profit taking is wrong?

Both ads were up at the same time based on this post: http://www.lfgss.com/post3918167-8.html, get your bloody facts right and the post which started all this was made after the thread was closed. Seller apologised and closed the thread and still gets called out, pretty much against the steps outlined in the first post.

More or less sure we've been arguing the same point, so I'll carry on to see if it helps. The post you linked to is dead but the cached one is an old advert, hence me saying I'm not sure if it was up at the same time and if it contravened any rules, sounds like it was the original ad that it was bought from. The poster did apologise, I've not mentioned them by name so that it's not tied too much to the bad traders thread as I've not said they are a bad trader, I was attempting to say that one bad trade/ attempted bad trade/ against the spirit of the forum trade does not make you a bad trader.
Scilly, who called them out, for discussion incase they were a bad trader had posted and you replied asking if they were a bad trader, I stated that he only said it was a bad trade.

1. Based on forum etiquette it is bad form but bad trader? There are many on here who buy from jumbles and then sell here for a profit. It takes time and money to get to jumble, clean them and repair them if needed. Bec didn't go to a jumble but just got it off the internet but hey I don't think there is any rules against grabbing a bargain on the bay and then try to flip it on for a profit. It's not like she got something on here for a bargain and then flipped it for a profit elsewhere.
   
2. Re: 1.
   

3. This is breaking the rules of the forum but to call someone a bad trader for breaking the 'exclusive to this forum' rule, this thread would be littered with such cases. There is also a mod request thread where the 'exclusive to the forum' rule breaker can be more appropriately dealt with >>>>>>>>>> http://www.lfgss.com/thread48164-259.html

4. Scilly has already said bad trade more than bad trader.

5. Re 1.

6. As far as I'm aware they weren't up at the same time so not against that rule.

Isn't someone who does bad trade = bad trader? You drunk otter, go home!

The last thing I quoted was not clear and sounds like you are saying "Isn't someone who does a bad trade a bad trader?". The = makes it sound positive. I then tried to make a few analogies to say this isn't the case, it seems you were doing the same. We've managed to argue the same point for a page or so, I reckon we could get at least another 3 pages out of it, another 1 after that if we make analogies about bleaching courts.

I'll carry on to see if it helps.
We could do with another analogy. Can we have one that includes a pizza delivery van, a three inch high heels, and a preacher from Alabama?

Should have read:

Isn't **calling out **someone who does bad trade = *calling someone a *bad trader? I love you otter, please don't show me your balls again.

If that makes it clearer for you? As for the now removed ad, the thread was closed after the link to the ad was posted hence the bike was offered on this forum and on gumtree at the same time.

But this ad may have been the old one where the bike was purchased from, or did I get that bit wrong? Also, not really clearer, try "Does someone doing a bad trade actually make them a bad trader?" Then maybe finish with "I don't think so" so your opinion isn't in doubt, rather than asking if I'm drunk, of course I am.

Look the point is not what technically is a bad trader and what isn't, it's that as scilly is trying very hard to make clear - this is a free platform on a community forum and as such it is a good thing that people are willing to be slightly critical and call out bad practice. It protects all of us.

In this case, the ensuing investigation proved no wrongdoing. Good, everyone has all the information and the frame could even go back up and probably sell. But 9/10 it turns out something is fishy and thus the unwitting buyer has been saved...

The system works. Yay.

Semantics are great.

what happens if pedantics are also pursuing semantics? Is that like Bertrand Russell having it off with Anne Robinson and incubating a very severe child?

Or Schick and Vorderman. that would be a great fly on the wall dating experience...

With tynan in the corner.

I bumped my head stooping toseat myself and drink my coffee. What are my consumer rights?