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54,000 km/h / 60x60 s/h = 15 km/s

KE = 1/2 m v^2 = 1,125,000,000,000 J, equivalent to 269 Tonnes of TNT in the usual measure of explosions. i.e. only a little more than a quarter kiloton, about equal the smallest nuke in the US arsenal.

Interestingly, would have got upto 11.2 km/s of its velocity from falling into the Earth's gravitational field, so would have been wandering through space at less than 4 km/s - too slow for it to have come from very far out in the solar system.

It seems people are revising their estimates upwards. http://www.space.com/19822-russian-fireball-biggest-explosion-century.html

speed up just a bit to 64,800 km/h = 18 km/s
mass up vastly from 10 to 7000 tonnes!
and energy up even more vastly to 300 kilotonnes TNT!!

Putting those speed and mass numbers into 1/2 m v^2 only gives 270 kt TNT, so i'm not sure what's going on here. Maybe people are trying to map back from the blast effects to the energy using scales calibrated for nukes, which unlike meteorites put a lot of energy not into blast but into high energy particles. Also the cylindrical blast from this meteorite would decay with distance more slowly than the spherical blast from a nuke, though that shouldn't be confusing the distant infrasound stations.

So i'm dubious.

18 fucking kilometres a second

zoooooooooooooooooooooooooom

Anyone who eats meat in this day and age, unless they are killing, skinning, and curing it themselves, knows full well (even if they cant quite admit it consciously to themselves) that the animals have been kept in horrible conditions, stuffed with steroids and corn, slaughtered inhumanely, and then ground up with sawdust and whatever else was sitting outside next to the recycling bins at the time, for packaging for your meal. If you eat meat, then accept the fact that you are eating shit.

This is essentially why people tease vegans. If they can detect Horse DNA in burgers how would they miss the Norway Spruce?

Anyone who eats meat in this day and age, unless they are killing, skinning, and curing it themselves, knows full well (even if they cant quite admit it consciously to themselves) that the animals have been kept in horrible conditions, stuffed with steroids and corn, slaughtered inhumanely, and then ground up with sawdust and whatever else was sitting outside next to the recycling bins at the time, for packaging for your meal. If you eat meat, then accept the fact that you are eating shit.

I hear the Daily Mail are looking for journalists...

DFP, love the bit about kosher food, does that mean you didn't hear about the horse being fed to prisoners as halal? Or are you saying kosher is infallible while halal isn't? Lol.

I've just had a sweet that was marked as veggie, looking at the ingredients I wouldn't take the V as too much of a sign if healthiness.

What would they be putting in? Most veggie food is so cheap to produce their is no need to bulk it out, and if they did it would still be vegetable to it doesn't really matter. People are a bit less squeamish about their pearl barley being adulterated with Israeli couscous than they are about their bangers being packed full of horse dong

Animal fats

Any of these:

http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=729#

Any of these:

http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=729#

This doesn't really have any bearing on what you were saying. Most of those ingredients only matter if you are vegan, the other's mean that the food sin't vegetarian so don't count when discussing ingredients of vegetarian food...

Isn't vegetarian like the beef isn't horse you mean?

there's no testing of food except by the manufacturers, is what dst is saying.
its like an honour system!

just cos it says its vege, doesn't mean it is.

Eating a horse doesn't necessarily bother me. I'm more concerned that people are not able (or prepared) to know exactly what they're eating. As I said before, meat should not cost less than dog or cat food per kilo, that's obscene.

You should NOT simply trust meat because its halal or kosher or whatever, either.
I will only buy meat from a local butchers (and specifically one who I feel I can trust), unless I really can't help it. It's just common sense that most packaged and processed stuff will represent more risk.

In my opinion, a product that involves the welfare of another animal is not one that should be bought at the lowest price possible. The reason why we have the long (vulnerable) chain of production is because we demand meat to be so cheap.

horse dong

:-D

Personally I only view halal as a bonus.

Like free mats with a new car.

Horse dung... that's a vegetarian dish innit?

DFP, love the bit about kosher food, does that mean you didn't hear about the horse being fed to prisoners as halal? Or are you saying kosher is infallible while halal isn't? Lol.

Yes, them jews have very high standards. Where as the Halal industry is a bit more focused on economy of scale. I am not talking about the actual religious requirements, but the practice. Large elements of the Halal meat industry totally ignore large parts of their own rules, stick to the bare minimum - if that. To meet the demands for cheap chicken in particular. Things are a lot better for larger animals, but there is no guarantee. For Kosher it is guaranteed though, as their demands are extremely high and unwavering.

Both methods require that animals must be allowed to graze and live in an environment which they can express their nature. They must be in excellent health. They cannot be allowed to see each other get slaughtered and therefore be frightened. Animals have to be done one by one, manually with a blessing done.

Measures must be taken for the least possible amount of pain inflicted in the animal, this involves no rough handling, super sharp blades, and maximum rate of blood flow. (The jews are very caught up in the blood thing).

Focusing on maximum rate of blood flow, also ties in with fastest least painful death. Have you every cut yourself and noticed it doesnt start hurting for a minute?

Well, when you cut the carotid arteries with an ultra sharp blade no pain is felt in the same way, the heart beating and gravity both help blood flow out at maximum rate. The animal loses conciousness before they become conscious of the pain.

Animals like Goats, Sheep & Poultry also very easily "submit" to their death if you handle them kindly, they "let" you slaughter them without getting distressed. You have to try this to understand what I mean. This is difficult to do with large cattle I understand but maybe possible with the right expertise.

This is why I dont like bolt guns and stunning equipment. All the videos I have seen from animal rights sources showing how cruel slaughter is just shows staff electrocuting and using the bolt guns on animals willy nilly as they run around terrified. This equipment seems to be a lot more about forceably controlling animals on a industrial scale rather than welfare/reduction of pain.

If I was going to commit suicide by cutting my arteries I dont think I would give myself and electric shock or bash myself on the head first. You know?

But back to the point, there are many options out there. And it is up to us individually as consumers to decide what we think is a humane method of slaughter.

There are thousands of places to buy meat for those of us who live in a city, easy to find out where it came from and have a look yourself if its important to you. I did.

Quite a lot of chicken contains pork protein, even the stuff marked Halal.
Especially if it comes from Holland, like the ones in Cash and Carry.

the royal womb is in the papers a bit currently
radio 4 this morning defending the mantel piece and saying it is the daily mail who prey on vulnerable royals
#storm in a teacup#

I haven't read the other news sources on this story but I thought this was quite a nice take on the census results:

Why have the white British left London?

I haven't read the other news sources on this story but I thought this was quite a nice take on the census results:

Why have the white British left London?

aaaaaargh why did i have to read the comments.

#tooearlytobethisangry

pedal it off son, pedal it off

Yes, them jews have very high standards. Where as the Halal industry is a bit more focused on economy of scale. I am not talking about the actual religious requirements, but the practice. Large elements of the Halal meat industry totally ignore large parts of their own rules, stick to the bare minimum - if that. To meet the demands for cheap chicken in particular. Things are a lot better for larger animals, but there is no guarantee. For Kosher it is guaranteed though, as their demands are extremely high and unwavering.

Both methods require that animals must be allowed to graze and live in an environment which they can express their nature. They must be in excellent health. They cannot be allowed to see each other get slaughtered and therefore be frightened. Animals have to be done one by one, manually with a blessing done.

Measures must be taken for the least possible amount of pain inflicted in the animal, this involves no rough handling, super sharp blades, and maximum rate of blood flow. (The jews are very caught up in the blood thing).

Focusing on maximum rate of blood flow, also ties in with fastest least painful death. Have you every cut yourself and noticed it doesnt start hurting for a minute?

Well, when you cut the carotid arteries with an ultra sharp blade no pain is felt in the same way, the heart beating and gravity both help blood flow out at maximum rate. The animal loses conciousness before they become conscious of the pain.

Animals like Goats, Sheep & Poultry also very easily "submit" to their death if you handle them kindly, they "let" you slaughter them without getting distressed. You have to try this to understand what I mean. This is difficult to do with large cattle I understand but maybe possible with the right expertise.

This is why I dont like bolt guns and stunning equipment. All the videos I have seen from animal rights sources showing how cruel slaughter is just shows staff electrocuting and using the bolt guns on animals willy nilly as they run around terrified. This equipment seems to be a lot more about forceably controlling animals on a industrial scale rather than welfare/reduction of pain.

If I was going to commit suicide by cutting my arteries I dont think I would give myself and electric shock or bash myself on the head first. You know?

But back to the point, there are many options out there. And it is up to us individually as consumers to decide what we think is a humane method of slaughter.

There are thousands of places to buy meat for those of us who live in a city, easy to find out where it came from and have a look yourself if its important to you. I did.

What a lasagne pot of horse shit.

aaaaaargh why did i have to read the comments.

#tooearlytobethisangry

Oh that's a shame. I heard the piece on R4 and linked it from my phone so didn't see any comments.

I just thought it was a much more positive take on the data. Even the FT (in Dec '12) has used the unnecessarily emotive phrase of "White Flight".

Oh well.

Kev/Jeez - What makes you think none meat based food is any different?

I wonder how many field-dwelling animals get slaughtered during modern mechanical harvesting procedures?

aaaaaargh why did i have to read the comments.

#tooearlytobethisangry

Racist.

I wonder how many field-dwelling animals get slaughtered during modern mechanical harvesting procedures?
They've probably all been killed / driven away / starved off by months of pesticide, insecticide and herbicide.

Modern farming - it doesn't give a flying fuck about your lifestyle choices or ethics.