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bod ein iaith yn wirion
HAHA Your keyboard is broken.
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It's a very old language though isn't it? As you say, the structure is very different from other modern European languages but you have to wonder how Welsh would have developed without the English border and political influence. Welsh does function practically on a day to day basis at every level of society so it can't really be said to be a linguistic white elephant.
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Breton is also fascinating. There was a migration of groups in the early middle ages from the south west of the british isles to north west france, Armorica (not to be confused with the modern superpower), and naturally enough, they brought their language with them as they established a foothold. While the other regional language of Brittany, Gallo, is based on concurrent latin migrations.
I think there's a linguistics thread on here somewhere.
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An urban myth according to my welsh speaking friends, I think its something like microdon
Yep it's microdon. "Popty ping" being bullshit made up by lazy cnuts
Micro being micro
Don being wave.Direct translation of wave is "ton" but we have a system that changes words slightly to make them flow off the tongue better.
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Popty ping is in common use. The other form is Meicrodon.
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It's funny how, apart from a few Scottish place names (Aberdeen being one) I don't really notice much of a common heritage in Britain. But when I was cycling around Brittany last year I couldn't stop spotting similarities. -
An urban myth according to my welsh speaking friends, I think its something like microdon
This is correct. It's a tourist phrase.
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Popty ping :)
Good name for a cat ...
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a culture which has as much - if not more - to offer than their Anglo Saxon/Norman melange...
Plainly ridiculous. Examine just the "English language" literature in the 950 or so years since our language became Anglo-Norman and stack it up against the whole history of Welsh.
you have to wonder how Welsh would have developed without the English border and political influence
Only if you like to indulge in counterfactual speculation. The contest to determine the world's lingua franca has been settled, with English as the victor.
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I used to speak Welsh fluently, until I was 12. I never called a microwave a popty ping, but I don't remember calling it anything else either (probably because I didn't use one, because I was 12).
Welsh is a great language and a pleasure to speak, I wish it was more widely spoken though because at the moment unless you have a Welsh-speaking family or work at S4C it's not very relevant to real life. In South Wales anyway, I have a friend from North Wales who speaks welsh to all his friends and family.
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Originally Posted by Clwydian
you have to wonder how Welsh would have developed without the English border and political influenceOnly if you like to indulge in counterfactual speculation. The contest to determine the world's *lingua franca* has been settled, with English as the victor.Haha. That's right. I was suggesting that Welsh could have become the "dominant" language. What's English for lingua franca anyway?
I was referring to the adoption of English sounding words into the language - although you have to be careful here as some simply share a root with the English version - and suggesting that had Wales not shared a border (and government) with England, the language would have developed differenly to cope with the expansion forced since the industrial age.
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No it fucking doesn't. The English attempted to obliterate Welsh culture over successive centuries. The Welsh fought back to the extent that what was once almost a dying language is now spoken widely. This fact clearly rankles with the successors of the oppressors who now attempt to ridicule a culture which has as much - if not more - to offer than their Anglo Saxon/Norman melange...