Halo Courier Berlin vs Schwalbe Durano Plus

I know that the best anti-puncture tyre is the SCHWALBE marathon plus. I have the 700*25 and after riding more than 30,000 k the last 3 years in London, NO PUNCTURE!!! I am now looking for something thinner and a bit lighter and I am between the Halo Courier Berlin 700*24 and SCHWALBE Durano Plus 700*23.
The question is what would be the most anti-puncture from the two?

^ be a guinea pig for the Durano Skid brakless tyre

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/schwalbe-durano-skid-fixie-folding-tyre/

i have been riding the Schwalbe stelvio plus for about a year, i think it has been discontinued and replaced by the durano plus. The durano still has the same type of puncture guard as the marathon so i'd go with that.

i have been riding the Schwalbe stelvio plus for about a year, i think it has been discontinued and replaced by the durano plus. The durano still has the same type of puncture guard as the marathon so i'd go with that.

Done 10,000 miles on Durano plus. No punctures other than a valve fail. Best slick tyre for non racing ever. 11/10

*I know that the best anti-puncture tyre is the SCHWALBE marathon plus*. I have the 700*25 and after riding more than 30,000 k the last 3 years in London, NO PUNCTURE!!! I am now looking for something thinner and a bit lighter and I am between the Halo Courier Berlin 700*24 and SCHWALBE Durano Plus 700*23.
The question is what would be the most anti-puncture from the two?

I disagree. For puncture protection I'd place the Courier Berlin above the Marathon Plus. I think the hard rubber insert in the Courier Berlin is actually deeper than the same in the Marathon Plus. The Durano Plus has a much skinny hard rubber insert, so its not a real comparison. Even Schwalbe rank their Marathon Plus as offering significantly more puncture protection than the Durano Plus, so the Durano Plus would fail absolutely in this regard against the Courier Berlin.
Both Schwalbe tyres DO have better handling characteristics than the Courier Berlin, till the Berlin has been worn in for a couple hundred miles, then it is similar.

i have been riding the Schwalbe stelvio plus for about a year, i think it has been discontinued and replaced by the durano plus. The durano *still has the same type of puncture guard* as the marathon so i'd go with that.

Yes, but much thinner.

BTW, to the OP; the Courier Berlin is roughly the same weight as the Specialized Armadillo All Condition. I owned and used that for ages, and it cannot possibly compare to the immense puncture protection from the Berlin. No way, no how.

i'd go for the Halo Courier Berlin.

btw, anyone using Durano Skid brakless tyre?

I disagree. For puncture protection I'd place the Courier Berlin above the Marathon Plus. I think the hard rubber insert in the Courier Berlin is actually deeper than the same in the Marathon Plus. The Durano Plus has a much skinny hard rubber insert, so its not a real comparison. Even Schwalbe rank their Marathon Plus as offering significantly more puncture protection than the Durano Plus, so the Durano Plus would fail absolutely in this regard against the Courier Berlin.
Both Schwalbe tyres DO have better handling characteristics than the Courier Berlin, till the Berlin has been worn in for a couple hundred miles, then it is similar.

Marathon + is the ultimate puncture resistant tyre. Has much thicker protection belt of 5 mm vs Courier Berlin that has 2.5 mm...Also reflected on the weight…The Courier Berlin 700*29 is 475 grams, the smaller Marathon + 700*28 is 740 grams (in reality is even more)!!
Though, I think that Durano + has thinner or similar protection belt to Courier Berlin...here the quality and the materials used will make the difference.
Maybe someone that has used both tyres (Durano and Berlin) may give some feedback…?

I woudl also think the Marathon plus has it, looking at it simply the thickness of the tyre has more to do with the puncture resistance than fancy materials/technology.

How many punctures would you get if the tyre was 5cm thick on the contact area, not many I reckon :-)
It would of course weigh 2kg but that's the compromise.

i'd go for the Halo Courier Berlin.

btw, anyone using Durano Skid brakless tyre?

it's not out yet. Schwalbe guy said it should be in stores in Jan.

i think Halo currier Berlin is a pretty cool tyre, eh twitch up the flinch, pur rider to floor and doesn't afraid of anything.

IMO sema buit harder to control than Schwalbe &c but much more precise when it is necesary direction with spirit.
Skidding wears through into the yellow bit &such . Findinyellow bit os now very puncture prone.
6 punctions so far my side on these Berlins (since mid-sumner installation)/
still I still breffer these HALOs over SCHWALBEs that I had tried (dead-weigh rotation and so-on, in the main).

Sorry my English

Sorry to muddy the waters here but where do the Hard shell gatorskins sit with all this??

Has much thicker protection belt of 5 mm vs Courier Berlin that has 2.5 mm...
Maybe someone that has used both tyres (Durano and Berlin) may give some feedback…?

I see your point. However, what you seem to miss is that it is highly doubtful that Schwalbe and Halo have used the same chemical composition for their protection belts. Therefore 5mm is deeper than 2.5mm, but if the 2.5mm of material is harder, then the comparison that one is better than the other will be flawed.

I withdraw my statement that the Courier Berlin IS the better at puncture resistance, as it cant be compared to anything similar. I believe that it is the superior, but if one follows the logic that 5mm is stronger than 2.5mm, without knowing the chemical composition and physical make up, I leave it to others to argue such a point.

For what its worth, I'm well over 18 stone, and keep my tyres at 100-130psi as much as possible, and in 10 months and nearly 4500-5000 miles, I've had no punctures from anything external to the tyre....ie....nothing from road surfaces.

There is always the chance that Schwalbe use a more effective composition as well as using more of it of course.
The 5mm versus 2.5 also becomes an advantage when a foreign object 4mm long gets into the tyre, no matter what the chemical composition.

big fan of the halos.
not normally my sorta tyre (have always run rubinos), but switched to them about 6 months ago and think they're great for all weather conditions... nice and grippy with a good spin, and have only had one puncture which ain't half bad.

Just wanted to report the best training tyres for puncture resistance according to last Cycling + magazine:

Best:
Schwalbe Durano plus (actual weight 420g for the 700x25)
2nd
Continental Gator Hardshell (actual weight 340g for the 700x25)
3rd
Michelin Krylion Carbon (actual weight 240g for the 700x23)

for comparison in an older C + test, best puncture "almost impregnable":
Schwalbe Marathon plus (actual weight 708g!! for the 700x25)
also the company data for
Halo Courier Berlin (claimed waight 420 for the 700x24)

It looks that both Schwalbe + tyres are much heavier than claimed in reality..40g more for the Durano +, 118g more for the Marathon +, though they look the toughest!! I could not find a comparison test including the Halo Courier Berlin but I would imagine they come after the two Schwalbe + and before the Continental Gator Hardshell and Michelin Krylion Carbon. the last is more of a long lasting tyre with some good protection (I know this after 1000s of miles)...all the others are very tough tyres...

I would agree with the Cycling+ opinion. I wouldn't rank the Halo Courier Berlin as a Training Tyre. It is a commuting tyre, of the most extremely successful type.

A training tyre should be predictable and reliable. The Courier Berlin's behavioural characteristics are balanced for puncture protection first, and tackling rougher roads, and possibly the slush of winter. Its tall and ridged profile makes it a less than predictable handler, when compared to the beautifully designed Schwalbe Durano Plus. The latter is a true training tyre, of high puncture resistance. Though I would wager that the Durano Plus cannot truly compare to the Halo Courier Berlin, in terms of serious puncture protection. It is clearly a far superior training tyre, but not at all a better commuter tyre.

I'd recommend the Halo Courier Berlin for commuting, and obviously courier work. But as a training tyre, others are better.

what is the point of the twin rail?

Lack of a second rail can lead lead to a loss of equilibrium that may impair the zen effect caused by brakeless fixed gear riding.

keep away from the third rail

The twin rail is there to make the contact patch smaller and give less grip. It also allows lateral flex, making the handling worse so therefore making the slides from less grip even more dramatic and harder to control.

Good for commuting though...

Good thing other tyres are not made of rubber......heaven help those who might buy them.....as rubber is known to flex like crazy. What a stupid material to make a tyre from.....knowing in advance that it would be flexible.

Good for commuting though.

knew you would bite :-)

Tyres are made from rubber as rubber provides the grip. Forming the rubber into rails lowers the amount of grip for the given size of tyre as less rubber is in contact with road and also introduce flex.
Just the same applies when putting knobs on the tyres, great off road but shit on tarmac.

You understand it really, don't you?

i understand things differently to you kerley but i think we can agree that throwing knobs around in fixedgear/roadie circles will only lead to hair pulling and other jabonery

So you didn't notice that those in the know are now riding cyclo cross (i.e. knobbly tyred) style bikes. It's set to take over the 80's race bike don't you know.
No one actually rides fixed gear any more do they?