Goalies, and back through the goal

those rules dont look completely unreasonable tbf.

Yeah, I notice that everyone else in the world plays half-court after a goal. No wonder I spent so much time shouting 'goal area, goal area' and holding various numbers of fingers up.

bill im holding one finger up for you. ;)

Those rules are pretty much the same as the ones we used, apart from the own goals, half-court and high-sticking.

I did penalise for dangerous stick-play, in any case.

Mike, are the world rules on the fed forum? Can you post them?

At the moment they're my rules. www.ehbpc.org/the-tournament/rules
They're posted on the fed's forum up for discussion but nobody is discussing them...

bill im holding one finger up for you. ;)

Two words, Ray, two words. One of them is 'off', and the other one isn't.

Those rules are pretty much the same as the ones we used, apart from the own goals, half-court and high-sticking.

I did penalise for dangerous stick-play, in any case.

And the bit about players working shit out for themselves. I kind of like that.

;861637']At the moment they're my rules. www.ehbpc.org/the-tournament/rules
They're posted on the fed's forum up for discussion but nobody is discussing them...

What was your view on the way me, Ray, Rob et al enforced them?

;861637']At the moment they're my rules. www.ehbpc.org/the-tournament/rules
They're posted on the fed's forum up for discussion but nobody is discussing them...

How many people are actually on the fed forum?

And the bit about players working shit out for themselves. I kind of like that.

Yeah, I like that too.

Yeah, I notice that everyone else in the world plays half-court after a goal. No wonder I spent so much time shouting 'goal area, goal area' and holding various numbers of fingers up.

Most people play where you can score on the backs of the team that just scored, as in when their backs were still turned. That seems unfair for tournament play and the people I've been talking to trying to write the ehbpc rules mostly agreed. The 2 players in the goal area seemed like the best way to 'reset' the game. It is opposite to what is played most places but for tourney play it seems to be the fairest.

Two words, Ray, two words. One of them is 'off', and the other one isn't.

i assume im seeing you later?

What was your view on the way me, Ray, Rob et al enforced them?

I was well impressed in your interpretations. There were a couple of things that I felt the need to ask you guys about but that was just to make sure everybody was doing the same thing.

The only thing was the no touching the goalie without possession. I feel (like I've already said it on this thread?) like the goalie is in play when the ball is on an intentional direct path to the goal. Treat the goalie like an opponent trying to intercept the ball, you can use your mallet to prevent their mallet reaching the ball, you can check them to prevent them taking control of the ball, etc. etc.
But I wouldn't want to go back and change your view, I doubt there would've been much playing the goalie off the ball anyways, it's not really the European way.

who else thinks mallet hacking the goalie is fun?

i like it even when im in goal.. you have to be able to control your bike not just rest on a mallet..

goalie take out for life!

mark had it too easy at the ehbpcs

i agree with gabes and technical heeby jeeby about goaly always in play

i kept moving my mallet out the way expect it to be hacked. i didnt realise.

who else thinks mallet hacking the goalie is fun?

i like it even when im in goal.. you have to be able to control your bike not just rest on a mallet..

goalie take out for life!

totally agree. If Geneva didn't have a stationary tripod out there the games would have been different. Same with Disturbia or whatever the canadians were called. I'm curious to see if Manu or the other swiss player can actually goal-tend, or if their goalie can even dribble.

If you're in goal and see a player coming in your direction, just trackstand and try to avoid dabbing

yeh that'll send a message.

I am from Barcelona, and I've just registered. So I don't have much credit, but...

One of my mates had an idea, maybe not him... but you know... an idea that deal the two positions, can a goalie be disturbed off the ball, and isn't the goalie making the game too defensive, not attractive...

I agree that a static goalie is not playing polo, is just trackstanding or having a big polo mallet head (remember L'equipe?). So it is a very static position and i think it ruins a bit the game, so the vast majority of the goals are made just in front of the goalie, or behind him/her... that doesn't make for very spectacular goals is it. Or very good plays that get stuck on the everstanding lucky goalie.

So... the idea was, with the "D" area in mind, (the size the one in the tournament I think should be ok) not to let the goalie inside, so it will be easier to over pass him from the side, or make a pass...

would make for a more active goalie, having to adjust the position as the game develops. What do you think?

or we could just hack mallets and stop being a bunch of nancy's

;861339']. I worded it as *the team that shuffled cannot score until any second player has possessed the ball. *I would have thought that this would be the case for the ball coming back through the goal as well. Possession means controlled touches, so the ball must be offensively passed or taken from a defensive player, not just bounced off any player

if the ball comes back out from behind the goalie, touching their mallet, but they never gain control (or perhaps notice it). A player is in front, receives and shoots. Is that a goal (this is one the case's in which I said this is too hard [let's say very hard] for a ref to call).

I watched this happed in a Geneva game. The ball came off the wall and back through the goal and the keepers bb, might have skimmed the keepers mallet, but he'd absolutely no idea where the ball was, made it about 30-40cm across the line and l'equipe hammered it in. I called it no goal. Didnt leave the D, might have been touched by two players, but definitely not possessed by them...

Welcome to the life of a ref. Make that call on the spot, in front of a crowd...

HACK hack HACK the fucking goalie's mallet. Period.

No hacking no polo.

^
if yorgo says it, it has to be true

Max and yorgo, you guys saying the same thing 20 times isn't the same as 40 guys saying the same thing.

I thought the play was mostly very exciting - without all the hacking. It's polo - not all-in wrestling or fencing.

;861657']The only thing was the no touching the goalie without possession. I feel (like I've already said it on this thread?) like the goalie is in play when the ball is on an intentional direct path to the goal. Treat the goalie like an opponent trying to intercept the ball, you can use your mallet to prevent their mallet reaching the ball, you can check them to prevent them taking control of the ball, etc. etc.
But I wouldn't want to go back and change your view, I doubt there would've been much playing the goalie off the ball anyways, it's not really the European way.

I agree with this. If someone had done this, I wouldn't have called it. But no-one did.