Crackdown on Beach Speeders

You don't know when you're at a speed that you find comfortable and are able to react to people turning out of side streets/people running on the road etc.?

Once again, people who can't trust themselves on the road shouldn't be on it.

I can trust myself, you can trust yourself, most people trust themselves. its the people i can't trust that trust themselves i'm worried about. it can't be self regulated like this.

I find the choice of legal language interesting; Kill someone in a car and it is "driving without due care and attention." Go too fast on a bike and it is "cycling furiously."

I can trust myself, you can trust yourself, most people trust themselves. its the people i can't trust that trust themselves i'm worried about. it can't be self regulated like this.

Well unfortunately people like that are on the roads, it's too late to stop them being on the roads by using a more thorough test. We have to wait until they prove themselves as not being able to be responsible on the road before anything can be done, this means either being caught by the police driving in a careless manner, or causing an accident in a careless manner, unfortunately it's usually the latter.

I find the choice of legal language interesting; Kill someone in a car and it is "driving without due care and attention." Go too fast on a bike and it is "cycling furiously."

+1 It's a disgrace, if you kill someone using a vehicle, it should be murder/manslaughter, I don't see how they can justify not sentancing people like that.

P.S. I apologise for filling about half of this page =P

Oh I wasn't picking you out or anything, just some of the repsonses from others that's all. I'm terribly sorry to hear about your brother, I have known a few who have died in similar circumstances, I agree that cars can cause huge amounts of damage in some situations, i'm just saying that we shouldn't be forced into line by the so many laws that aren't necessary, if you don't want to go whatever speed, don't, if you do, go, but accept the responsibility of your actions.

P.S. I'm not saying we don't need speed limits, I know that last bit reads a little like that.

@Ta2 - What are you trying to imply there? I know it sounds stupid but in the past people have assumed that I agreed with things like that, and I hope you're not trying to do the same, people like that should be charged with murder/manslaughter.
No I'm not saying that, I agree with you there.

You're saying "people can drive at the speed limit if they want, but should accept the responsibility of their actions".

I disagree with that. It should not be up to drivers to decide whether they can drive dangerously or not. Many drivers, particularly women (not paying full attention) and old people (slow reaction time), though some men as well, are not capable of driving safely even at the speed limit.

Might sound a bit draconian, but I believe anyone over the age of 70 should not be allowed to drive, at all. We, the taxpayers, should provide taxies instead. I also believe that cars should have trackers in them which automatically fine anyone who drives above the speed limit, repeatedly doesn't indicate when turning, etc.

This would also allow the speed limit to be dynamic (e.g. slower round corners, near schools etc). Thirdly I believe everyone should retake their driving test every three years. I also believe people should undergo a driving 'endurance' test about a year after they pass the normal test... driving round for about an hour to see if they got into any bad habits, not signally, driving dangerously etc.

A U.S. government study calculated the "Average Economic Cost per Death" in 2006 at $4,000,000. This is due to the fact that they cannot generate $100k a year for the economy anymore, because they're dead. There were 3,592 deaths on the road in the UK last year. Multiply those two numbers together gives you $14.4 billion. That's just the economic cost alone, let alone all of the pain and suffering caused. That's also not including people who are not killed but injured in a car accident.

Cars need to be taken more seriously, and the government needs to stop wasting money on retarded little schemes like in my original post.

I can trust myself, you can trust yourself, most people trust themselves. its the people i can't trust that trust themselves i'm worried about. it can't be self regulated like this.
That's basically what I'm trying to say mmccarthy.

Many drivers, particularly women (not paying full attention) and old people (slow reaction time), though some men as well, are not capable of driving safely even at the speed limit.

I'm not trying to say this though....

I'm not trying to say this though....

Some people drive too fast.
Some people drive too hesitantly.
Some people drive with a mobile or cigarette in their hand.
Some people drive with the mistaken impression that it is the responsibility of a cyclist to wait until there is an opening in the traffic before turning right.
Some people don't signal.
Some people drive round blind corners.
Some people don't have good enough reaction speed to drive safely.

etc... But they are all allowed to drive still.

Is that not what you're trying to say?

I wasn't trying to single out particular demographics as bad drivers.

i disagree with that. It should not be up to drivers to decide whether they can drive dangerously or not. Many drivers, particularly women (not paying full attention) and old people (slow reaction time), though some men as well, are not capable of driving safely even at the speed limit.

alert! Alert!

well VeeVee we all know that women should not be allowed out of the house. if a woman is driving then the chain is clearly far too long. women can't drive because they get premenstrual and homicidal. can't be trusted. *

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Meh, I'm just speaking from experience here, it's by no means scientific or unbiased. It is simply the general experience I have had on the roads of Bournemouth from both a driver's and cyclist's perspective. Also there are a A LOT of old people round here.

I car shared with a girl where I used to work, until one day she thought it was alright to light a cigarette (0 hands on wheel) whilst driving at 80 mph in a 50mph zone. This is the type of behaviour I would normally expect from bad male drivers. Also, my mum is a much better driver than my dad.

as if smoking wasn't bad enough....

well VeeVee we all know that women should not be allowed out of the house. if a woman is driving then the chain is clearly far too long. women can't drive because they get premenstrual and homicidal. can't be trusted. *

But you trust us with oven and knives in the kitchen! Are you completely out of your mind?! Do you know the harm we can do with a Dyson vacuum cleaner? Do you have any idea?

we say it hurts but really it feels sooo good.

:d

Tasmanian women are the worst.

Yesterday a 5-year old girl was killed in London by a hit and run BMW driver.

probably just an accident, impossible to avoid etc..

anyway, back to those pervert cyclists, slaughtering the young of this country like some kind of two-wheeled Luftwaffe, targeting our angelic children with their razor-blade encrusted tyres.

hahaha probably why a man threw a razor at us at South drinks last night.

I disagree with that. It should not be up to drivers to decide whether they can drive dangerously or not. Many drivers, particularly women (not paying full attention) and old people (slow reaction time), though some men as well, are not capable of driving safely even at the speed limit.

This is not true and is basically discrimination. Individual ability varies greatly across superficial criteria like this, and the determining factor should of course be ability. NB a huge number of collisions are caused by younger drivers. Would you want to discriminate against them, too, on the grounds of lack of experience?

Might sound a bit draconian, but I believe anyone over the age of 70 should not be allowed to drive, at all. We, the taxpayers, should provide taxies instead.

Unworkable and discriminatory.

Some of your other suggestions are being/have been discussed, but by no means go to the root of the problem. That lies in spatial planning, economic circumstances, popularly accepted standards of behaviour, etc. It's a lot more complex than simple 'solutions' can ever address.

But you trust us with oven and knives in the kitchen! Are you completely out of your mind?! Do you know the harm we can do with a Dyson vacuum cleaner? Do you have any idea?

the knives in my house are blunt enough that my little woman would never get through my stab vest. i am scared of your feminine scheming about the vacuum cleaner though... the thought of being sucked to death is a horrendous one.

Don't worry, there's no way women can use Dysons, they're far too technical for our little brains.

a huge number of collisions are caused by younger drivers. Would you want to discriminate against them, too, on the grounds of lack of experience?

young drivers ARE discriminated against through higher insurance premiums. which i think is entirely reasonable now that i'm over 25 :)

Don't worry, there's no way women can use Dysons, they're far too technical for our little brains.

excellent.

what are you doing near a computer, anyway? shouldn't you be manacled in the kitchen preparing a 3-course dinner for your man?

I am a very good typist - like all women - so it takes me no time to write posts and besides the stew will be ready in a couple of hours.