Crackdown on Beach Speeders

I think people just need to respect the rules we have, and if they disagree try and change them rather than just breaking them. Then people would see the amount of work that goes into them, and perhaps understand better why they exist.

Rules also need to be activly enforced. Then people wouldn't break them so often.
The amount of people I hear moaning about stuff they can't be bothered to find out about, if that energy was put somewhere useful we'd all be ok. But then i do work in transportation strategy!

But you can see what I'm saying right, you can see the point i'm making?
The beauty of speed cameras is although clarkson moans how much they cost they pay for themselves and for other things too.

...you're kidding right? Unfortunately what you've said is the only thing they do well, take money, they don't make people better drivers, just think, if we charged congestion charge for cyclists, we could make more money to pay for even more other things!

Cars are for losers :D

But what if they want to be fat?

There will be arrested by the government run "fatty" police and will be reprogrammed as stated in article 71 of our manifesto :=P.

I think people just need to respect the rules we have, and if they disagree try and change them rather than just breaking them. Then people would see the amount of work that goes into them, and perhaps understand better why they exist.

Rules also need to be activly enforced. Then people wouldn't break them so often.
The amount of people I hear moaning about stuff they can't be bothered to find out about, if that energy was put somewhere useful we'd all be ok. But then i do work in transportation strategy!

for whom do you work, which august body have you infiltrated with your bike riding ways my friend???

Cars are for losers :D

Nope, no comeback to that, the truth hurts =[

=P

And imagine how good you'd feel being told you were too thick to drive.

God dammit I love the early 60's.

...you're kidding right? Unfortunately what you've said is the only thing they do well, take money, they don't make people better drivers, just think, if we charged congestion charge for cyclists, we could make more money to pay for even more other things!

They aren't designed to make better drivers, they're designed to catch bad drivers. Its punishment not education. They're more liked a pay as you policeman that only looks at one crime.

I think making the driving test harder is a good idea, and making people re take it every so often (with insurance discounts if you do?) then we can continually educate drivers.

Veering off slightly....

I spent a few months doing field servicing of security systems, spending alot of time driving. I ended up shunting someone at a roundabout in a rush to get home. No-one hurt but the police were called and I had to go on a Driver Awareness Course in lieu of points. I will still say hand on heart that I considered myself an ok driver before; I am cetainly a better driver now.

I went into that 2 day course with the right arse, like everyone else on it. To my surprise it was a real education, once the instructor could see his group had good basic driving skills he went onto the stuff you don't cover while learning to drive. The bulk of it focussed on anticipation, road awareness and positioning. It has also improved my cycling.

This, for me, is where it's at. Send people on training if they commit relatively minor driving offences. Make them pay for it (like I did) and remind them that driving is a task that requires attention and focus.

Personally when I cycle in shared space with peds, I cycle at barely above walking pace. I have seen others who definitely don't and I have seen children and adults shite themselves when some twat is jinking round them like they are slalom gates. These are the cunts that cause these seemingly arbitrary laws to be introduced.
This law will have been brought in on the back of complaints, why do we need to see fucking body counts to justify it? I agree wholeheartedly that these laws will impinge on more considerate cyclists and that is unfortunate but I can't get too wound up about it.

Perhaps all too simplistic for some but I am a simple person.

I hit 174mph on sunday.

It was fun.

They aren't designed to make better drivers, they're designed to catch bad drivers. Its punishment not education. They're more liked a pay as you policeman that only looks at one crime.

I think making the driving test harder is a good idea, and making people re take it every so often (with insurance discounts if you do?) then we can continually educate drivers.

Yes, they're supposed to catch bad drivers, punish them, which makes them stop speeding, which in the eyes of a speed camera makes them a good driver.

Unfortunately you can not tell if someones a dangerous driver by their speed (unless it's reckless, which once again, the camera doesn't know).

Yes, they're supposed to catch bad drivers, punish them, which makes them stop speeding, which in the eyes of a speed camera makes them a good driver.

Unfortunately you can not tell if someones a dangerous driver by their speed (unless it's reckless, which once again, the camera doesn't know).

But speed is a good indicator. If you choose, to or are unable to, drive within a specified speed limit then you are a bad driver, and although you may feel you are not dangerous you are still more dangerous than if you were travelling at a lower speed.

Won't somebody think of the childern, please think of the children.

But speed is a good indicator. If you choose, to or are unable to, drive within a specified speed limit then you are a bad driver, and although you may feel you are not dangerous you are still more dangerous than if you were travelling at a lower speed.

Won't somebody think of the childern, please think of the children.

Yes but you should not be able to prosecute on the grounds that you have a good indicator. A lot of people I know are dangerous drivers and very rarely go above the speed limit, they're just careless and don't pay enough attention.

Veering off slightly....

I spent a few months doing field servicing of security systems, spending alot of time driving. I ended up shunting someone at a roundabout in a rush to get home. No-one hurt but the police were called and I had to go on a Driver Awareness Course in lieu of points. I will still say hand on heart that I considered myself an ok driver before; I am cetainly a better driver now.

I went into that 2 day course with the right arse, like everyone else on it. To my surprise it was a real education, once the instructor could see his group had good basic driving skills he went onto the stuff you don't cover while learning to drive. The bulk of it focussed on anticipation, road awareness and positioning. It has also improved my cycling.

This, for me, is where it's at. Send people on training if they commit relatively minor driving offences. Make them pay for it (like I did) and remind them that driving is a task that requires attention and focus.

Personally when I cycle in shared space with peds, I cycle at barely above walking pace. I have seen others who definitely don't and I have seen children and adults shite themselves when some twat is jinking round them like they are slalom gates. These are the cunts that cause these seemingly arbitrary laws to be introduced.
This law will have been brought in on the back of complaints, why do we need to see fucking body counts to justify it? I agree wholeheartedly that these laws will impinge on more considerate cyclists and that is unfortunate but I can't get too wound up about it.

Perhaps all too simplistic for some but I am a simple person.

Excellent post. Driver Awareness Training is often very successful in changing driver attitudes. Exemplary shared use policy here, too. The aim is, of course, to enable all cyclists to acquire the social skills necessary to successfully share our public spaces rather than tolerate inconsiderate riders to be used as the foil for the imposition of social restrictions. It isn't always possible to achieve this aim, but it is possible more and more often.

Just as a follow on, have done some research and here are the stats for pedestrians involved in accidents with other modes on verges or footways(does not differentiate between the two). The stats are from the DfT results for 2007 (the latest available) and are as follows:
Peds in accidents with cyclists:

Killed 0
Serious 10
Slight 47
Total 57

Peds in accidents with motorcycles

Killed 2
Serious 23
Slight 87
Total 112

Peds in accidents with HGVs

Killed 2
Serious 18
Slight 117
Total 137

Peds in accidents with Cars

Killed 31
Serious 378
Slight 1,674
Total 2,083
Clearly pedestrians should worry about motor vehicles far more than cyclists using the footways (40 times more likely to kill or injure a pedestrian). Of course, the usual caveats about unrecorded incidents / under reporting apply) There, thats levelled things out a little.

So considering the population of Bournemouth - if they patrolled all the streets and totally eliminated cyclist-pedestrian incidents, they would stop 1 serious accident every 20 years? Money well spent.