Tubs

Tubs score on reduced rim weight and increased strength. I have one pair of clincher rims that I use with Armadillo tyres for occasional commuting and a shed load of tub rims for various purposes. One set has done 4 amateur Tour of Flanders - check the cobbled sections on that ride :(

Tubs are more forgiving on a longer ride and aren't that much of a pain to change compared to a difficult clincher - what are those Michelin tyres? Major PIA to change.

Jerry - you forgot to mention that if you use Vittoria Pit Stop sealant you end up stood in a Surrey lane looking like a snowman.

and at Christmas time, that's a welcome sight

I'm still not 100% convinced by tubs, even the tour riders are switching to clinchers for downhill sections cause of the heat/glue/rolling tire problems.

Anyway, my clinchers run happy over 10 bar (run them at 150 psi) and only weight about 180g so about 240g with a standard tube. My tubs run at 170psi and weigh about 220g each + about 60g of glue, and don't feel any different really.

I'm still not 100% convinced by tubs, even the tour riders are switching to clinchers for downhill sections cause of the heat/glue/rolling tire problems.

Anyway, my clinchers run happy over 10 bar (run them at 150 psi) and only weight about 180g so about 240g with a standard tube. My tubs run at 170psi and weigh about 220g each + about 60g of glue, and don't feel any different really.

I appreciate what you're saying, but I have thousands of miles on tubs and have never seen any issues with rolling - I get some reasonable speeds on the mountains myself - downhill, before Andy pitches up again.

In fact, the only tyre issues I've seen on a mountain were a clincher blowing out due to excess heat on the sidewalls and a mate bust a Corima (clincher) on a descent on the Etape one year, which lead Corima to state that their wheels aren't recommended for downhills.

IMHO, a tub rim is an easier design to get right, certainly in carbon.

Having just installed my first tubular I'm a convert. Feels so light and smooth! Even just skidding around the flat! Can't wait to take it out on the road and do some trickz.

Tubs don't tend to be particularly suitable for skidding.

Coke would be a cheaper habit and better for your health.

:P

That's the real reason why I don't use tubs. :)

Having just installed my first tubular I'm a convert. Feels so light and smooth! Even just skidding around the flat! Can't wait to take it out on the road and do some trickz.

In my opinion tubbs for the win but please don't use them for skids & tricks this will end in tears.

spent some quality time stripping layers of glue off a carbon rim before retaping and fitting a new tub this weekend. It was most satisfying...

loving tubs at the moment

Yeah.. illy's usually found in RP busting out some sickazz muvfukn trickz y'all! Breaknekspeeedzz innit yo!!!!!!

What shit you talking Mr hippy? Trickz, speeedz, skillz?
I just don't understand this bicycling thing any more.

runs away and boils head

boils head? that's not vegan at all! eek! run away!

so,
looking to buy some wheels off ebay but they are tubs.

what are the disadvantages of using tubs in day to day life on the streets etc?

cheers
paul

cost, durability, repair-ability, availability.

Hi Paul, this has come up before, but to summarise my experience I'd simply say that the scant weight advantage and faster ride is negated by the fact that you have to take a spare tub with you.
Further, few if any mini-pumps are capable of reaching the right pressure to inflate your spare properly. Add in the fact that if you puncture again you have to walk home or phone back-up and you'll realise why I don't ride them any longer.
Others may well disagree of course...

cost, durability, repair-ability, availability.

Much more succinct!

Yes and also replacing tubs is a bit of a nightmare altogether.

Ive heard some people have had tubs slide off when skidding making the bike a death trap?

I use them on the track but not on the road. Cheap tubs are a false economy and it gets very expensive replacing or repairing tubs if they puncture a lot. On city streets that tends to happen.

Yes and also replacing tubs is a bit of a nightmare altogether.

Ive heard some people have had tubs slide off when skidding making the bike a death trap?

Would do if they are improperly glued / taped on. I find I can change a tub (using tape) much quicker that i could change an inner tube on a clincher though. They are pretty easy to get on once they have been pre-stretched

the fact of the matter is if you really like them, there is normally nothing that will stop you.

but if you have choice, then clinchers are much more practical for the city roads.

Would do if they are improperly glued / taped on. I find I can change a tub (using tape) much quicker that i could change an inner tube on a clincher though. They are pretty easy to get on once they have been pre-stretched

Good luck getting 130 PSI without a track pump...

ah such a shame as there is some very nice phil hubs on usa ebay but built onto lovely araya rims.

good luck for someone else then, but not me!

gatorskins come in tubs

ah such a shame as there is some very nice phil hubs on usa ebay but built onto lovely araya rims.

good luck for someone else then, but not me!

if it cheap, buy it, sell the tubs rims, get clincher one and rebuild wheel.

that if it quite cheap.