Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

£3500 for a Di2 Grail

https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/gravel-bikes/performance/grail/cf-sl/grail-cf-sl-8-di2/3098.html

£4800 for Di2 Grizl

https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/gravel-bikes/adventure/grizl/cf-slx/grizl-cf-slx-8-di2/3476.html

2x cuts clearance to 40mm iirc

Ultegra model around 2.8 but sold out

I want to use Di2 with it so I'm looking for stuff that has internal electric cable routing

Aye, bummer.

What's the beef with the yoke and the shielded cable? (not rhetorical)

Surely not the cursed bars! I guess they're swappable?

I'd run them with my Cobl Goblr post for the full uglies.

(that's a lie, I'd remove them and burn them to protect the innocent)

What's the beef with the yoke and the shielded cable? (not rhetorical)

There's nowhere for the Di2 to pass through - it's solid. So you have to tape the cable under the chainstay. It's not a big deal but if you're gonna say you have "di2 cable routing" then don't just leave one of them hanging around in the air, I want them all run through the frame tubes.

why silly? overpriced? i like cinelli

Ah yeah I'm being daft, I'm incapable of thinking in terms of technology I can't afford.

Hope you have a skin tight flannel to go with the bookshelf bars and chickenhead post

I've used one of those VCLS split posts on my Mason for road ultras for a while. Bit of a faff but I miss it when I went back to the Thomson for a bit. I now have an eeSilk on it for reasons I can't recall (it was on the gravel bike).

The bars can fuck right off though :)

Colour scheme really.

I kind of like it, but imagine it could be a bit divisive.

Canyon openly admitted with the new Grail last week that the double decker bars were a complete failure. They are stiffer everywhere but cruising in the tops, which obviously no one does when riding Serious Gravel.

you have creaking/slipping problems with the vcls post? i had one for a while but thing could not perform the core function of a seatpost despite being overtorqued.

Genuine question, when the last time you ride steel?

ye, colour scheme is hit and miss with cinelli for sure.... the ones i have are full black ones... oldish gazetta and oldish bootleg

Sunday.

My Mason roadie is steel and so is my Stanton MTB. So 90% of my ultra events are done riding steel bikes these days. I rode the Tripster during Seven Serpents and any other events and I've been fanging around on my old Focus CX bike since the Tripster went to Poland.

I think they look ridiculous and if I was having that much trouble with my hands I'd fit a suspension fork to my gravel bike before fucking around with those silly bars.

Nup, except when I've crashed and it moved then.

I used carbon paste between the blades and the correct torque on the locking bolt and seatpost collar.

I'm armchair dissing it now but I've lost a disc in the lower back at 26 I'm probably gonna end up experimenting with every form of suspension out there by 30. Gets a bit sore after 8h or so

What's the narrowed down list of the bikes then?

I like buying second-hand stuff. It's cheaper, I'm less precious about it and it makes me think I'm not contributing (so much) to the endless creation of more new things.

So, I'm liking the idea of that Di2-ready Niner, but I know sod all about them other than they like to hit their carbon forks with a hammer now and then.

I already know the Kinesis Tripster works, so that would be an easy if slightly boring choice. It would match my grrl's orange Mason Bokeh though. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing. Like pensioner tourists in matching tracksuits...

I like my Mason and would give them more money, but I think the Exposure is overkill given that I now have a hardtail and a dualie.

I've still got a hard-on for the Crux but the price is stupid.

+1 on used.
IMO 'what works works' >>> 'novel interesting' if you can support that with your kinda milage soooo.. tripster? The most autistic seasoned take on n+1 I ever heard was just doubling down on the same bike. That was coming from a guy with just one titanium bike; he doesn't drive and has 300+ homologued audaxes, and this was when I tried to indoctrinate him into trying tyres wider than 23c.

The bars aren't really swappable because the integrated stem is super low so you'd have many scoble bricks of drop if you put a normal stem on. Not even sure there would be enough steerer available for that.

Can confirm the bars are rubbish based on a short test ride. Flexy on the tops, from where you can't reach the brakes. Stiff everywhere else. Also the bottom deck is in the way of your thumbs when you're on the hoods. Apart from that they're great..

On the other hand, have had no problems with the split VCLS seatpost after a lot of riding and with a lot of grimy spray hitting it

Tripster AT, when it was built up.

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Fine if all you do is road. I was in the same boat for a while, but then started TTing, then started ultras, then started off-road ultras... plus I buy some bikes, like my Inbreds, just for the LOLs yada yada n+1 ftw

I've downsized a bit and the aim was to get a nice gravel/road bike with two wheelsets but I get attached to my bikes and don't want rid of them so I'm not even sure I'll let go of the Tarmac and Mason, even if I do get a nice groad machine.

I need garages scattered around the planet full of bikes so I don't have to ever box one again..

I mean, I could make a 54cm work but unless it was super cheap or something I'd probably just get another 55.5 (in the new orange). Still the Niner is the most tempting. Not sure I can be arsed going to #wherever to pick it up though and £3500 buys a lot of beer

£300, with new Kinesis seat post, spare headset, what ever of the bits that it came with I can find. Full frame bag & half frame bag that needs some love. OMMAO.