Serotta CSI (Another Yellow Bike)

Luke's yellow CSi is (as you can see from this thread) what motivated me to buy mine (which started out red white and blue, but then went red).

I coveted Luke's bike from afar, then a little while ago certain things aligned and I bought it from him.

The groupset and finishing kit I put onto a SAECO Cannondale frame that I had, and that went to a friend.

I've been snapping up parts to build the yellow CSi up, see if you can spot a theme:

• 2013 Campagnolo Record (the cranks say Super Record, but the other bits don't, is there a reason for this?), with the red "11"
  
• Syncros quill stem
  
• Nitto M106 bars, 42cm in black
  
• Zipp 202 Firecrests
  
  

Here's the current state of the bike, albeit with a Syncros stem loosely in place, expect a rapid evolution (if I can find some tyres that fit).

Gumwalls would be my first thought, but I wonder about the contrasting tone to the paint.

Really looking forward to seeing this built. 5 arm Super Record & Zipp’s is going to look incredible

I hope so!

I need a saddle, which I may have somewhere in the Garage Of Doom, but the parts list has grown slightly since yesterday:

2013 Campagnolo Record (the cranks say Super Record, but the other bits don't, is there a reason for this?), with the red "11"
Syncros quill stem
Syncros seat post
SMP Composit
Nitto M106 bars, 42cm in black
Cinelli Kaleido tape
Zipp 202 Firecrests, Ultegra 11-28 cassette and KMC 11 speed super light chain
Vittoria Pave CG 25c tyres with whatever inner tubes (what are they again?) I can find
Speedplay Zero pedals (probably)
King bottle cages

What have I forgotten?

That sounds like a full bike.

Got a saddle that isn’t an SMP, just for the photos?

Hah!

I found a use for my old We-Work card, once cut into strips it provided a suitable wedge to allow the Syncros stem to navigate the curves of the M106, and it's now in place without having scratched the surface that is not covered by the tape.

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202’s came off a display bike apparently- never been used, which looking at them when they came out of the box I actually believe. I am very much not used to inner tubes anymore I will say.

The tyres are measuring at 24.5mm, although of course they’re brand new so I’d expect them to stretch a little. I had hoped to use the Enve wheels from my travel bike but the Schwalbe G-One speeds on that (allegedly 25’s) measure just over 28mm and, well- see for yourself.

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The red CSi is running Spesh turbo cottons on light bicycle rims which measure out at 24mm and have plenty of clearance. I did want Zipps on that bike, but Seabass convinced me to go for light bicycle/CX-Ray hand built onto Dura Ace hubs.

Schwalbe do tend to come up fairly large. 28 Pro Ones fit in my Rock Lobster but 28 One’s don’t.

Is that a new set of Zipps to avoid having to change the tyres on the Enve wheels?

I prefer a bike to have its own wheels, and the Enve’s were/are for the Tintin travel bike.

Last year (?) I had to borrow a pair of the same Zipps off AndyP for the Mrs to use on her bike when we were on holiday, so this covers a few bases.

If that sounded in any way like a criticism it wasn’t levelled as one, I’m all for it

Oh, the other thing to note is that the Enve rims are really wide, its not just the tyre that's really close to the fork, the braking track is also very tight. I think they work great with modern forks, but 20 year old stuff not so much.

Ha! Take that Soft Bank. Looking forward to seeing this come back to life, hands down one of my favourite forum frames.

2.2 rims are 28mm wide external, hence why that tyre comes up very big. I barely use my 2.2 wheels these days, as they rub on both my bikes when out the saddle.

I’ve come to the conclusion that rim brake wheels that are wider than 25mm are not really fit for purpose on all but the most recent model bikes, as you can’t actually use them on most rim brake bikes without them rubbing on the brakes. The DA 9000 direct mount calliper on my Talbot is the main offender, and that’s the bike I bought the 2.2’s for. My old 3.4’s were fine though, as they are 28mm wide on the front, and 25mm on the rear.

They are great on the travel bike, which has a normal mount EE on the front and a direct mount tucked away under the chain stays just behind the BB, but they've been designed for this type of wider wheel. I haven't received the groupset yet, but I'm not confident that 7 year old Super Record (or Record, whatever it turns out to be) will have been optimised for very wide rims.

The 202 rims are both 25.4mm at their widest (front and rear are the same).

I will never forgive Vittoria for discontinuing Open Pave's.

Wiggle has had them on sale for a while, hidden! I got a pair for winter riding and they’re still awesome

https://www.wiggle.com/vittoria-pave-cg-open-clincher-road-tyre

Scorchio (202’s)

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Ooohhhhh. I bet they seem really narrow now in comparison to riding modern 28c for a while.

Yeah I think the “27mm” are at least 2mm smaller than my “25mm” gp4000s, which to help things, are actually 28mm.

The group set, brake pads and searpost were all meant to be delivered today, but weren’t, so my planned pleasant evening of fettling has turned into watching “Better call Saul” on Netflix.