EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

^ yeh this, hope she was born after 1/7/2006, my daughter was born in the UK in 2005 and lived here her entire life but is an EU citizen as I wasn't married to her mother of EU nationality. She currently has settled status and it never seemed that important to get citizenship and when I looked originally her country of nationality didn't allow duel citizenship but that changed a few years ago, so might look in to citizenship at some point.

I missed that they’ve also scrapped the VAT reclaim arrangements for tourists. Good luck luxury retail.

sounds about right, yep! i remember i had to get a certified ‘long’ copy of my birth certificate (to prove that both my parents were British by birth) in order to register my daughter.

BBC covering it here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-55483105

Actually should be ok for touring orchestras as they never tour over 90 days. Still will be more logistics and carnet for everywhere (carnet is still used in other countries around the world so not a massive change, just more admin work).

I’m a UK national - wife is EU, and daughter is half-half (or both, really).

I’m also resident in the UK, and they’re both EU resident at the mo (moved back to be close to her parents before baby came along, with me to’ing and fro’ing a lot).

Are you a British national by birth? If you were born in the UK to at least one British national parent, then 99.9% likelihood your daughter is also a British national. Doesn’t matter where she was born, or if you registered the birth with a British consulate abroad.

Happy to elaborate over PM if you want.
Source- used to do that stuff for a living.
PS- if she is entitled to British nationality thru you, you can just apply for her Brit passport straight away; it’s not necessary to register her birth with the UK or stuff like that. You will still need to provide original documents (apostilled and translated if they’re Polish).

Hi! Yep, i mean she has a British birth certificate, so there’s no question there (just needs me to apply for a British passport, albeit she has a Polish one that works fine for now).

her country of nationality didn't allow duel citizenship

It's probably better that way. :)

touche

This thread is a revelation, you made me doubt myself and I have just checked the Government guidance and apparently guidance put out in 2019 now means for the sum of £99.20 and attending a citizenship ceremony my daughter can get citizenship which seems a no brainer now given Brexit and she can also hold a EU passport. Apparently the law changed in 2015 for our circumstances).

ha! the more i read the more expensive it gets...

not sure whether they can enter the UK in January based on the 90-day visa-free stay and then apply for a family visa from there, or the nature of the stay being permanent meaning we’d have to apply for it before she travels, which’d then be an extra £500 and three months wait...
... then reading about the £624 a year immigration healthcare surcharge

fucking hell, absolutely kicking myself for not sorting this out sooner :/

Not much information was given out ... In NI the government did mention settled status in a leaflet we all got.

But it was only register now, anything to do with more complex scenarios involving Brits and EU partners wasn't covered.

They really didn't do much, not sure for example in all of England even that was posted out.

Hope you can get something sorted :)

Indeed, certainly not publicised as ‘what was previously pretty effortless and free will now cost you £8k over 5 years’.

Not helped by my apparent inability to notice these problems until they hit me in the face (sure there’s people reading thinking i’m a fool for not having just moved them back over here sooner - but life gets/got in the way as ever).
For what it’s worth/full disclosure: until very recently the plan was I’d move over there full-time, but that had its own set of bureaucratic and financial hurdles - bit of a rock/hard place situation.

A pretty damning take on the UK Government’s negotiating position;

https://www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Boris Johnson "UK exporters will have an advantage in that they will now have the same forms to fill out when sending good all over the World"
Instead of some for the rest of the world and none for the EU, huge advantage. /sarcasm

This interview so edited, guessing to not show want an absolute nincompoop he is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/uk_leaves_the_eu

Doesn’t matter where she was born, or if you registered the birth with a British consulate abroad.

How long ago was this?

Unfortunately, while if may be technically true that's not always the reality anymore.

A relative whose daughter was born in France had a nightmare obtaining a passport. Ultimately it was resolved by lots of threats of legal action and going to the papers.

then reading about the £624 a year immigration healthcare surcharge

for a settlement I dont think this will apply, its calculated on yearly basis as £200 a year for limited time visas like Tier 2 or Tier 4.

not sure whether they can enter the UK in January based on the 90-day visa-free stay and then apply

I think they should be able to but do check; home office calls in and out of country applications 'leave to remain' and 'entry clearance' you will need to read guidance for that. Some visa are not allowed for non-EU to male a leave to remain application with such as tourist visa.

which’d then be an extra £500 and three months wait...

Home office generally has two ways to apply, postal or in person, the in person application will give you the decision on the day but will take a couple of weeks for the BRP to arrive, generally the cost is double.

A good value might be doing postal application and giving that money to an immigration solicitor. I have done applications with and without solicitors and its a world of diff in terms of pain to collect documents etc. Their prices vary a lot, you will get everything between £500 - £2000 per applicant.

Fifth, and most unforgivably, we never developed a strategic plan for the negotiations.

This is quite the statement, don't you think?

I’d argue it’s 100% accurate. The EU basically got what they wanted, the UK didn’t.

I believe that, given that they have a good year or two to iron out the issues not 2-3 months before the deadline for such a colossal shift in economics.

Yeah, that's a possibility with or without a strategic plan. You can spend months labouring over your strategy, then it turns out to be the wrong one or your execution and tactics are wrong and your adversary eats your lunch anyway. [Not to say that Strategy isn't important, rather that having a Strategy isn't always a guaranteeing factor for success]

I mean, I know it's popular to say we just winged it, but I can't, in reality believe anything would have happened if that was actually the truth of it.

That jarred for me, when reading it. Proper WTF moment.

How long ago was this?

2018 when I stopped getting involved, still get updates from friends in the biz.

Nationality law can be quite nuanced, but I was fully trained in it. HM passport office were a pain for us to work with more often than not, so not surprised it was a nightmare for them. How straightforward was your relative’s case?

while if may be technically true that's not always the reality anymore.

It’s very much true and, unless someone is not doing their job properly, it’s the legal reality. Edit- apologies if this bit came out harsh, had a bit of a flashback to 2014/15 when HMPO fucked everyone over with their 700,000 application backlog...

did a lot more reading overnight and this morning, and it's basically worse than i thought :/
tried to sort out last minute flights back today, but would need to pass through/transfer in the Netherlands, and since the 29th they need a negative covid test from the past 72hrs. so no dice.

Unfortunately she can't come to the UK as a visitor and do the application here, against the rules - she'd have to leave again to do it from outside the UK.

the healthcare surcharge has risen over the past couple of years and it's now £624 a year, with the first 3 years payable up front. So £1533 for the application and £1872 for the surcharge (and then need to get the specific English certificate and preferably pay for the priority service (21 weeks preggo - so no real possibility waiting 12 weeks after we've got our shit together)

have been using https://www.migrate.org.uk/spouse-visa-uk-2018/ to go through things (ignore the 2018 in the link there, it's been updated since).

My apologies.

I think my tally to home office has surpassed £15k in last decade if thats any comfort.

You could nearly have bought a bike with that money.

It’s about how TM 6s now.