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Disappointing. I hope Son build better hubs than online calculators :-)

By rep for sure, those German maths though...

Hive mind question. Boost centrelock 24hole hub? Anyone know of any?

Bitex makes some ->

Boost centrelock 24hole hub? Anyone know of any?

There might be some complete wheels, although most of the big names assume you'll need 28 spokes for a boost front wheel. Even DT180 hubs are 28H only, and if there was any support for 24H you'd have thought their most weight-weenie hub would be the place to look.

Mavic make some 24H boost front wheels, but they seem to have abandoned centrelock, a rare case of their being right about something. You'd do well to follow their example, but if you must have centrelock then apparently there's a variant of the Novatec D411 which meets your needs.

Measure twice, buy once...

Measure

Yeah, lesson learnt. Don’t use presets/profile-things. Or at least sanity-check the preset.

I think most that build wheels do this at least once. Sometimes it costs a fair percentage more to only order rim and hub and wait to order spokes until everything else is right in front of you and properly measured.
I know this pain.

Hi there

I have a set of 32h campy record 10 speed hubs laced to DT Swiss rr585 rims. I'm keen to get s lighter set built. I'm thinking of h plus son Archetype rims.

Any advice?

Also, is there anyone here who'll build them for me?

Ta
Ed

Any advice?

Don't. Unless your rims are worn out, in which case you might be able to rim swap to DT RR511 without needing new spokes.

I'm thinking of h plus son Archetype rims.

You can do better. I've got a few Archetypes, but I doubt I'll buy any more.

Thinking of getting a spoke tension meter to up my wheel building game. There seem to be a few for 40ish eur, are they much of a muchness or is there any specific brand to get/avoid?

I got a good response from Son.

They seem to think the error crept in by using manufacturer supplied ERD numbers. Apparently the method of measuring isn't standard.

I think with this buy any decent brand and it will probably be alright. No way of truly knowing unless you test against something top notch.

I’d always go for the £70 park tool one unless you want to spend £££

I bought a Super B tension meter for home, compared to the park tool one at work there is a fairly large difference when doing direct comparisons!

Not a biggie I just factor it in and use it as a rough guide, as you say this tool isn’t super accurate anyway.

Another recommend for the rr511 rims here. I've built 2 sets of wheels with these, they are pretty sturdy. I've also built a set with rr411 rims as well which have an asymmetrical rim option for your rear and are another 70g or so lighter per rim.

Anyone have or know somewhere to get hold of Kinlin XR26t? Basically the symmetrical disc version. Or have a suggestion of something similar? Similar in price too.

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/ usually stock them.

the symmetrical disc version.

Not sure there is such a thing. Why would you want one?

Why would you want one?

For a track wheel?

Kinlin XR26t

This seems to be the symmetrical disc version (but the listing includes a 20h version too which is unusual, so maybe ask the shop to confirm)
https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m20b0s116p3834/KINLIN-XR-26TS

Ye they don't have any stock, I did order one and they got in touch with me to say they didn't actually have any left, which is why I'm asking now.

@gbj_tester @Brommers yep for a fixed rear wheel.

I would like matching, well, aesthetically matching rims. Not sure what alternatives there are, I'd take something that was 24-28mm deep and matt black.

Kinlin xr 31 !

or the new Kinlin rd-3ft

I posted on here for help about 2 months ago and thank to all that offered advice, just wanted to get this off my chest as the local bike shop have pissed me off again.

I asked them in May if they built wheels, they said they did so I dropped off the hubs and rims and left them to arrange the spokes. 2 months past by and I heard nothing so I went in to ask how it was going, I was told they couldn't get hold of the required spokes for the rear NDS, trouble with the distributer of DT Swiss... I walked away. Another month passes and I go back, this time the rear wheel is built except it is missing one spoke and they are unable to get the spokes for the front wheel but assure me the spokes are coming end of the week.

Every Monday I call in and they tell me the same and that it will be done by the end of the week. 5 months have now past. Finally I am told they cant get the spokes and that no-one has them anywhere - I ask for the lengths required, order them from SJS and return 2 days later to drop them off, explaining how annoying this has been.

2 more weeks go by and I am told my wheels are ready, I collect them, they spin nicely and I return home. I then notice that one spoke in the rear has about 4 threads showing. I ask on here and it is confirmed that this wont do - so I return the rear wheel, another week goes by, no news. Finally get a call saying it is sorted so I collect the wheel and bring it home and offer it up to the frame - it's dished waaaay over to the NDS.

I return to the shop the next day to say the dishing is out and the builder tells me he will pass it to their other shop where a more experienced wheel builder with all the spokes and tools will sort it out 'by the end of the week'.

One month passes and apparently the guy has 'snapped' a few of the spokes and is awaiting replacements... argh!!! the wheel has now been given to the mechanic's LBS in Orpington to be completely rebuilt.

Last week I collected the wheel and was refunded all the money I had paid, including the cost of the spokes they supplied - can't complain, though I wish they'd been more forthcoming with information from the beginning. I had noticed that the guy in the shop wasn't particularly confident and he knew he should have been doing a better job at communicating, I told him it was cool and that he just needed to be more realistic with timings and tell me it would be a month and not to keep saying 'end of the week' as he was relying on others and it was out of his control... I could see it was stressing him out and I wasn't really in a rush...

Lastly, and this is what has really pissed me off, I had dropped another bike off with them as they had said they were expert mud guard fitters and that this made up the majority of their workshop time - I had been fumbling trying to fit PDW under ultegra callipers and didn't really have the time so gave them the my other bike as well and told them that if the guards wouldn't fit with the ultegra to take the EE off the Parlee as they can be adjusted for greater clearance (eccentric bolt etc).

They told me that the guards couldn't be fitted under either calliper and gave me back both bikes. They'd re-fit the EE and I'm annoyed I didn't check the fitting myself at this point but the whole wheel build issue was still in its infancy.

I've put a few miles on the Parlee and now I have the oxic wheels I've swapped them out for the carbon/CK ones. I have just noticed that the rear calliper has been rubbing a little on the top of the tyre and the pads have been missing the brake track so I now have a scored line about 5mm below the carbon brake track on the rim :(

They sound like proper divs.