EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I sympathize with this so much, but what other option can end the madness without alienating leavers (and probably a good number of apolitical/less bothered people as well)?

MPs about to vote on whether they should leave for their holidays 5 days early. I guess there's not much on, so why not...?

I know we shouldn't be "crossing the threads" but the Information Commissioner and her deputy spent some quality time with the FBI/Robert Mueller team last week.

STV won't work if no one puts a second and third preference down.
I know I wouldn't put one down.

Really?

Look, let's be honest this is a political move to take on the Brexiters. What are the odds of a hard Brexit victory where there are 3 options?

Vote Leave fined and referred to police over Brexit campaign spending, Electoral Commission announces - The Independent

Significant developments last night:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/theresa-may-narrowly-avoids-defeat-after-caving-in-to-rees-mogg

It's frustrating that three Labour MPs and one former Labour MP voted in favour of the ERG's stuff. Not that May's proposals are very good, but they are certainly preferable to the, as Dominic Grieve put it, 'malevolent' amendments.

The Guardian is suggesting that one Brexit MP thinks the issues with JIT manufacturing could be solved by the lorries leaving earlier

Maybe it was just a joke

This is all a joke right?

Cue pages of discussing how awful JIT is

Vince Cable, Tim Farron and one other LibDem didn’t vote. Which doesn’t excuse the spineless support for this disaster of a government by those three Labour MPs, but it would’ve made the vote more interesting.

It is a fucking disaster though, many knowledgeable commentators think the chances of us crashing out with no deal significantly increased last night.

solved by the lorries leaving earlier

From the other place, right? Like maybe they could leave that factory Just Before the things they're carrying have been made. Because it's only the UK factorys that operate using modern manufacturing methods - all those ones on the continent still stockpile months of input / output in order to feed the UK sites.

all those ones on the continent still stockpile months of input / output in order to feed the UK sites.

I know rite

“You ain’t no Margaret Thatcher,” leered Leigh in, what was for him, one of his more intelligent contributions to parliamentary life. Even his colleagues appeared embarrassed by that. All but Jenkin, who was hellbent on seeing how high he could raise the stupidity bar. Having earlier in the day declared that business was far too interested in making money, he now suggested that the way to reconcile just-in-time production with longer border checks was to make sure that lorries set out from the EU several days earlier than they currently did. That way it wouldn’t matter if they got held up. If he wasn’t already an MP, Jenkin would be hard pushed to get a job.

I read on twitter that 14 labour mps abstained too, but its twitter so it might be bullshit.

from the EU several days earlier than they currently did

That reads like a John Crace piece. I wonder if he really said several days or if that's a bit of colour on the part of the sketch writer.

Like, is he really expecting new customs checks to take several days longer than the current ones.

Farron and Cable skipped the vote. Farron was at a church giving a talk about how hard it is to be a fanatical homophobe in Parliament.

Yeah I dunno the session is online somewhere right? I'd quite like to see it.

I hope you've all been digging for victory, as Britain will soon have to grow its own food again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/dover-calais-facing-economic-catastrophe-due-to-brexit

It's OK, after all it's getting so warm that lemons and oranges should thrive.

I don't understand that about the LibDems--presumably, it meant that some MPs from other parties didn't vote, either, to make up for their absence (as per the usual system)?

Kate Hoey also voted for. I never understood what she's doing in Labour.

Jenkins did say this:

At Toyota in her own constituency—I met Toyota last week—quite a substantial proportion of its componentry arrives from outside the European Union to be bolted on to its cars. She is putting up these completely false fears that just-in-time supply chains are threatened by trading across customs frontiers.

I can't see anything refering to customs delays that he said in Hansard, though I'm absolutely not an expert, and could possibly even be searching in the wrong debate (or whatever they call it).

If that is the relevant part, I highly doubt that putting up customs barriers and delays will aid in JIT delivery, and he's probably dismissed the idea that it will make no difference too quickly.

But then, I'm no manufacturing expert; in the same debate Jenkins claims to be as he worked for some financial part of Ford via a venture capital firm in 1989 for three years - was JIT even implemented in the UK back then?

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quite a substantial proportion of its componentry arrives from outside the European Union to be bolted on to its cars

FFS - he'd be changing that 'substantial part' to '100%'. Even as a non expert, if he thinks that's insubstantial to their manufacturing processes, then he's either a liar or a cretin.

Everything is beyond fucked.

Mmmm. Ta.

An Urgent Question to be asked at 12:30 about Vote Leave breaking Election Law.

And a Remain amendment to the Chequers agreement is being voted on tonight (and it sounds like it could pass - if Vince and Tim wouldn't mind popping along to vote).

The Facebook grapevine has is that Labour was going to abstain on the amendment...hence the LibDems weren't all there. Then Labour changed its mind at 8 PM.

Would be nice if such things were public the only Labour abstain info I can find is here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jul/16/brexit-mays-plan-dead-say-tory-remainers-and-leavers-jointly-ahead-of-key-votes-politics-live on an SNP amendment...

One Labour MP is suspended and not a ‘former Labour MP’

Hoey, Stringer and Field should be deselected as MPs...that is a personal opinion based on their long term behaviour on the subject.

Cable and Farron already had permission from the whip to attend their respective meetings aparrently. I've heard Labour had planned to abstain and switched at the last minute to vote against, so the LDs didn't think it would be so close.

The third LD MP is on maternity leave.

You could argue that as the only party opposing brexit they should have a full compliment of MPs to vote no matter the likely outcome. At least they could say they tried.

She is in favour of hunting with horse and hounds too!