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Thing is though, nobody is even sure what Jesus' message was. Did he do away with the Jewish laws for example? Can you save yourself by following law?

Excellent question...

Were his apostles correct in being such sexist douches?

Probably not.

no true Christian?

Haha fair point - It's certainly not for me to decide who is and isn't a true Christian.
As far as I'm concerned it's not about being 'in' or 'out' of a 'social club', or the adherence to a set of arbitrary rules or laws. It's more of a journey in relationship with a creator God, through which ones outlook and behaviour change.

My personal observation on this journey and it's relevance to the discussion on this page is that what I understand to be the attitude of Christ to social justice, human rights etc is quite a bit closer to a modern humanist viewpoint than it is to historic Christian theocracies etc...

I'd best shut up now or I'll get redirected to the relevant God-bothering threads, but it's been an excellent discussion, cheers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146

More oh my god stuff .

They were on this morning's Today show on R4. They sounded like they'd talked themselves into a corner and only then realised what they were saying.

I don't understand the thought process that leads you to remove your child from his/her education because a boy is wearing a dress. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and I have no issue with their right to believe what they want to believe but I'm having trouble coming up with ways in which they aren't proper dickheads for not equipping their child for encountering situations that might be alien or disagreeable to them (the parents).

But think of the children!

I think all the teachers should start cross dressing to piss off those pathetic book waving tossers.

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

Were you fucked up by your parents? And is it possible to predict what you'll do that'll fuck up your own children?

Kids are influenced by their parents strengths as well as their weaknesses.

They tuck you up, your mum and dad
They read you Peter Rabbit too.
They give you all the treats they had
And add some extra, just for you.
Man hands on happiness to man.
It shines out like a sweetshop shelf.
So love your parents all you can
And have some cheerful kids yourself.

As I get older I want to be more like my Dad. I thought I always knew better until I was 50 and he was long gone.

"Sally and Nigel Rowe say their child came home from school confused and unhappy"

This is how I came home from school every day. Was I doing it wrong?

Those questions at the end aren't mine - sorry - lazy cut n paste ...

Listened to exactly the same thing! Interviewer really did try and give them a fair chance too.

Their whole rational seemed to be that their kid(s) was confused and distressed by it...but you couldn't hell but not quite believe them and wonder if their reaction to the situation had added to and created the stress.

Exactly. They turned their child's (understandable) confusion and questioning into a problem that wasn't there until they made it.
Then they yanked their children from the school, adding extra stress!

Going out on a limb here but I think Philip Larkin understood that.

I enjoyed that, thank you ;-)
Got any more ?

'This was Mr Bleaney’s room. He stayed
The whole time he was at the Bodies, till
They moved him.’ Flowered curtains, thin and frayed,
Fall to within five inches of the sill,

Whose window shows a strip of building land,
Tussocky, littered. ‘Mr Bleaney took
My bit of garden properly in hand.’
Bed, upright chair, sixty-watt bulb, no hook

Behind the door, no room for books or bags —
‘I’ll take it.’ So it happens that I lie
Where Mr Bleaney lay, and stub my fags
On the same saucer-souvenir, and try

Stuffing my ears with cotton-wool, to drown
The jabbering set he egged her on to buy.
I know his habits — what time he came down,
His preference for sauce to gravy, why

He kept on plugging at the four aways —
Likewise their yearly frame: the Frinton folk
Who put him up for summer holidays,
And Christmas at his sister’s house in Stoke.

But if he stood and watched the frigid wind
Tousling the clouds, lay on the fusty bed
Telling himself that this was home, and grinned,
And shivered, without shaking off the dread

That how we live measures our own nature,
And at his age having no more to show
Than one hired box should make him pretty sure
He warranted no better, I don’t know.

TLDR

Exactly. What's going to cause more upheaval for a child, coming to terms with the fact that people wear different things at an age when you're most open to new ideas, or being hauled out of school by your parents, and then looking on as they blather on to anyone who will listen about how stressed and disturbed you are?

I wasn't responding to the poetry.

BBC - Boris Johnson to fly to battered Caribbean.

Haven't they already suffered enough ?!

you can catch transgenderism from other kids right ?

innoculation ?

or are they anti vaxxers aswell

He does love to see the watermelon smiles on the picaninny kiddies...