EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

It seems like he's gone grey in the last year :)

I thought it was an interesting question. Mainly because it shows how fixed my position is - it's so difficult to to accept the premise; "regardless of how likely", which I assume is the way leave voters feel.

Baby boomers, as a cohort, benefited from free education, generous welfare and cheap housing, then voted for parties which denied those things to their kids.

What would be interesting to know would be what the actual % of those who benefited from those advantages have gone on to vote against them for subsequent generations.

Although the free education thing is a bit of a red herring. Current university numbers are about five times higher than in those years, only about 10% of those baby boomers had the advantage of free university education.

The Remainer questions are more loaded and difficult to interpret in that survey I think.

The ones to the Leavers are simple - some %age of respondants would take economic damage over the status quo.

The Remainer ones though? I assume they're not referring to the status quo, but to the effect of leaving.
So 34% would take economic damage in excess of what they perceive the effect of leaving to be? Or they'd take some damage as they don't think it would be as bad as leaving?

Five times higher, but way more expensive. I'd like to see a source for that 10% - sure living expenses and so on, but I don't remember whether university fees were levied at the individuals attending.

It was 8.4% in 1970 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiMpui_rrjVAhVlCcAKHd3JBnsQFggoMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fresearchbriefings.files.parliament.uk%2Fdocuments%2FSN04252%2FSN04252.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEhZJMFMwni-zEsyN5sg_4UgnTe1A (bottom of page 14)

Aah yes - I misread your post as being only 10% of Boomer university attendees did so for free.

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/08/confusing-daily-mail-tantrum-eu-border-controls-now-too-strict/

Well that just satirizes itself, doesn't it... :)

It wasn't just free University education,
which when I finished school in '78 was claimed to be for only the top 4%.
Polytechnics and Institutes of Higher & Further education took broadly similar numbers,
and,
there was extensive provision of Day Release and Evening classes that led to vocational qualifications, including true/proper apprenticeships.

Expect a DM headline soon;
'Border control queues: Do they cause cancer & reduce house prices?'

"Border control queues: causing mass illegal immigration"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaj6f5KbWC0

of COURSE and all of that

Diana was in favour of Brexit. You've gotta love The Daily Express.

Surely that's a spoof...

Moderately interesting

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/03/second-brexit-referendum-case-getting-stronger-political-deadlock-life-raft

Based on this lecture apparently

https://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/britain-and-the-eu-in-or-out-one-year-on

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-causing-3-million-eu-citizens-to-be-discriminated-against-for-jobs-and-housing-2017-8

Well, that's going well....

Pantomime villain Nick Timothy has written his much-hyped first column for The Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/04/nick-timothy-election-went-wrong-tories-can-beat-corbyn-next/

It's paywalled, but you can read the start, and the opening paragraphs suggest a distorted sense of his own abilities, and a general failure to grasp reality. No great surprise really. I can't imagine the rest pf the article is worth reading.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/08/07/british-position-papers-on-customs-union-and-northern-ireland-imminent-politco-website-exclusive/

I'm not too impressed because they keep going on about "camera solutions" yes but those aren't enough if you also want to end freedom of movement...

Also, goods smuggling will make a return if there are tariffs... people used to smuggle butter and cigarettes on the buses from the ROI not too long ago. Unfortunately smuggling funds criminals.

Good article on border camera solutions here..

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/11/anpr_for_uk_ireland_scotland_boarders/

California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage. Hmmm...

http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/?utm_campaign=time&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=time_socialflow_twitter

Nothing new:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nks2RKbNuVY

It's been going on for decades.

UK version:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/05/brexit-uk-food-industry-eu-fruit-veg-pickers

Brexit art

Don't think this has been linked;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/09/brexit-political-party-james-chapman-david-davis

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/remain-and-leave-voters-are-surprisingly-united-on-backing?utm_term=.ttaAB08YjA#.vvpzXeLRdz

Well, well, well...