Wahoo Elemnt

I think Garmin set the bar so low, the fact they are doing anything has got everyone head over heels.

Smaller vs larger screen seems to be only significant difference really. Unless you're doing something where a few fractions of a second aero-ness makes any difference. I mainly went for Bolt because it was a bit cheaper.

This to an extent but also from my reading, Wahoos seem FAR more stable than Garmin.

I do find Wahoo's marking slightly irritating. I think I prefer Garmin's faceless corporate non-image to all the #wahooligan stuff.
But producing a stable product and actually doing regular firmware updates with new features totally outweighs that.

has @hippy bought one yet?

hippy has not bought one yet

I'm still trying to stay patient until the Hammerhead Karoo you posted about is available.

I'm going to use my Garmins until they die and then make the jump. It could be some time though - my 800 is still going strong and that's a few years old now. The 1000 is my main unit. I sold my HCx and have a 30x instead as my backup. Then I have the car one plus two of their extended batteries that I've loaned to a friend for a 24hr. I've lost count of the Garmin mounts I own - probably a couple of hundred quid worth of plastic. Fuckin' jokez.

Greedy little bugger! :)

It'd be nice if there were more ways of getting TBT tracks onto it

You should be able to do it on the app and transfer to device.

I bought the HCx off ebay cheap but never liked it. The 800 was 'gifted' to me for some work I did and then when I found its limitations (ie. it leaving me high and dry 450k into a 600k) I went straight out and bought a 1000 and 30x so this kind of shit didn't happen again. I bought the car Garmin while LEJOG training, because it was supposed to be able to accept .gpx files, so I thought I could load my route on their so support drivers could follow me exactly. I use a different one on different bikes depending on what my ride is going to involve. Sometimes take all three out although now I have the Sony I tend to only use the 1000 and 30x on long rides. The 800 is for turbo and commutes.

Only if you're telling it a place you want to go and then it auto-generates the route for you in the app. Which is potentially useful, but not what you want on a long audax where generally you're following a GPX track.

Currently the options seem to be a ridewithgps track with cuesheet entries, or using something called Komoot which will allow you to upload a GPX but then edits it to preset bike friendly routes they have. Then you can edit it some more yourself. It's a slightly convoluted process though worked pretty well when I tried it out around Kent (it actually took me onto some nice roads I didn't know).

This is just for turn by turn navigation. If you just want to follow a route on the map page it works fine with just a basic gpx track that you can get onto it in tons of ways (e.g. email it to your phone). The map page also gives you 4 data fields so for most purposes you could leave it on that. It's clearer to follow than Garmin maps page. TBT flashing up was useful on night bits as with just a map route you wouldn't be alerted to turns until you missed them. If that makes sense.
(am a bit tired still)

Bike riding is so complicated these days! :)

Was wondering about their 'roadmap' (i.e. whether to hang on for a newer model)

As far as I can tell:

• ELEMENT - March 2016
  
• BOLT -March 2017
  
  

So I guess it will be a while before anything new (or a version 2) comes out.

Does the Bolt come with proprietary bar mount?

AFAIK i can use the ELEMNT on a garmin mount.

Have a read of DC Rainmaker reviews. Some really detailed points there and relatively up to date.

I think you have to file the tabs somehow to get them to fit onto Garmin mounts.

It comes with an out-front bar mount and a stem mount (slightly less nice design for that than garmin one as zip ties rather than rubber bands)

You better believe it!

Di2, discs, GPS, dynamo hubs, bikepacking choices...

No wonder my fat-tyred Inbred is my favourite bike these days. KISS principle.

I hear you!

I did previously mention that Garmin mounts work fine, but turns out I was talking rubbish. My road bike has a Fouriers Garmin/Gopro mount and the Wahoo fits into that with only a slight wiggle (after you turn the thing 90deg, of course).

My Brompton's got a regular rubber band-type Garmin mount and that didn't fit, so I had to use the actual Wahoo mount for that. Probably could've filed the slots on the mount slightly, but just chucked the mount in with the Garmin I was selling.

I even dragged the fixed out, swapped tyres on it and rode it to a cafe the other week. Man it feels fast compared to the 'luggage bike'. When I've got through this year I'm going back to simpler times.

I know what you mean.
I swapped the single speed wheel from the front of the English to the back, and just need to get the 135mm dynamo hub built into a wheel to stick in the front, then I'll be back to all non geared bikes again.
Just need to get the fixed frame that's been sat in the lounge for months built up to work on then.

It's a shame there's not some kind of forum dedicated to fixed and single speed bikes! I reckon they're going to be the next 'big thing' :)

Next you'll be telling me these things come around in 'cycles'...

I got the Bolt on Friday and first impressions are really good. I got it over the original as it was cheaper, and for me the screen size is fine and maps are perfectly clear. If I was using maps all the time or a bit short sighted I'd definitely get the Elemnt for the added screen size, and although that has a longer battery life the Bolt has a claimed 15 hours, which is plenty for me! It's a massive improvement over my Garmin 500.