Bikepacking - a viable alternative to racks & panniers

http://science.blurtit.com/2855660/when-and-who-invented-the-shelf

Hahaha. . . That's got to be the worst example you could have used! :)
When you place something on a rock, its still just a rock... But if as the all knowing Mr William Harkin claims. . . That over the centuries people learned to carve them for themselves. . . Then again, it just shows that whoever the first one of these carvers was to specifically carve something to specifically place their things on. . . Was the person who did indeed 'invent' the shelf! :)

It's last year's Jamis Dragonslayer. Saw it here and fell in love, then found it was on sale at Evans in my size so my mind was made up.

http://www.bikemag.com/gear/2016-jamis-dragonslayer-27-5/

Only real change is swapped out the 2x for 1x10. Front mechs r def.

Also, need a dropper for non adventure duties. This year's looks even more sorted, if more expensive.
https://www.evanscycles.com/jamis-dragonslayer-27-5-pro-2017-mountain-bike-EV275236

Oh that looks rad! Will match my panniers when I inevitably steal it back, too :D

That is my point

Also PDW have made something similar recently: https://ridepdw.com/products/bindle-rack

Where is the line between bikepacking and rack and bag touring? Even the PR pack requires tools to fit and remove.
Not easy to whip off to hit some trails if you can leave your bag somewhere.
I thought bikepacking was all about ease of removal for this type of thing (besides weight, aero etc)

I agree to a certain extent.
It does seem to be that bikepacking luggage is beginning to edge towards just new styles of racks rather than being the completely rackless format it started out as.
I guess it will all find its place in that those using the bags for quick trips will stick to completely hardwareless bags, and those travelling further afield, for longer may go with more stability as provided by minimal rack/attachment solutions.
At least the minimal bikepacking style of racks tend to only have one or two bolts to potentially fail, compared to the number of bolts used by traditional racks and panniers.

Bikepacking kit is designed to be used for off-road riding - the bags clear trail objects unlike lower pannier bags.

I totally see the purpose of the bag higher up out the way. All I'm saying is - is it still called bikepacking if you have to use a mini rack/support?

I would say so.
Bikepacking is simply a more lightweight, stripped down form of off/road, touring. The rackless style of bags obviously makes more sense as there's less hardware to fail, so less weight too usually, and the idea is that the luggage is more out of the way than traditional panniers... But bikepacking setups can still use racks... Just usually in a different way.

Or give them a ring / e-mail? They've been pretty good for me in the past (spare toggle for Gourdon pack, if I remember).

I don't know. I just ride my bike.

It's not like I've ever got caught up in an argument on the internet... ;)

Bikepacking - anything with bags but without panniers?

Are you asking because you've just bikepacked back from sainsburys with your shopping hanging from your handlebars? :)

Oh, and btw @hippy ... I'm selling my roland tb3 touch bassline if you're interested? Only £120 to you! :)

Carradice were well ahead of the curve then.

Bikepacking - anything with purpose-built bags but without panniers?

http://davide.tommasin.org/2016/02/23/cicloviaggiatori-daltri-tempi-motivazione-e-bicicletta.html

As Gil Scott-Heron once said. . . "Ain't no new thing" :)

Delivered?
By Hand?
With beer?

I can do that. . . So long as I can bikepack it to you? :)

So long as that's not a Tesco bag hanging off your bars...

Seriously though, I'll take it. I missed one on ebay for a bit less and then kinda stopped looking as I have other shit to worry about. I'm away over Easter but if you don't find another buyer in the meantime I'll buy it off you next week if you're able to get it over to Paddington (or post it)?

Nope, that goes on the rack!