Doping

He's mentioned having asthma previously, so isn't doing a particularly good job of hiding it.

He wouldn't try to hide his asthma diagnosis, in fact he'd be well advised to shout it from the rooftops (assuming he had enough breath to shout after climbing up there) to provide cover for his doping #tinfoilhat #theclinic

Well fairy nuff then, if he actually has asthma then I guess it's understandable.

In that case though I'd say there was a flaw in the system.

@andyp prejudice? Yep probably. Maybe if we can go a season/month/week without a single doping scandal in cycling I'll start to feel differently but until then...

I'd say there was a flaw in the system

There seem to be two errors, rather than systematic flaws - Yates failed to take responsibility for his own TUEs (and despite what @hippy says, I think it's an athletes responsibility to check his own paperwork), and having offloaded the admin to his team, the team cocked up.

He might still be in trouble if the UCI/CADF refuse to grant him what would be in effect a retrospective TUE by imposing a minimal sanction. You don't automatically get a TUE for terbutaline just because you have asthma, you also have to demonstrate that you need terbutaline rather than one of the other drugs which doesn't need a TUE.

UCI have already decided not to suspend.

Yes.

It doesn't just start when you join a team, he likely was diagnosed years ago.

Owain Doull, one of Yates' peers, was quick to voice his support for his compatriot and former teammate in confirming his condition. 'I'm not naive, I just know and trust the lad I raced and lived with for years and have seen first hand how he has struggled with asthma,' Doull said on Twitter.

Owain Doull, one of Yates' peers, was quick to voice his support for his compatriot and former teammate in confirming his condition. 'I'm not naive, I just know and trust the lad I raced and lived with for years and have seen first hand how he has struggled with asthma,' Doull said on Twitter.

I manage my paperwork but I ain't no pro with a team of people doing admin for me. I wish.

Maybe he did check and the doc subsequently forgot to post papers. We don't know.

Maybe he did check and the doc subsequently forgot to post papers

You don't get a TUE just by filling in the application form, you get one when the panel agrees with you and your doctors that you need one. As such, and given the strict liability, the athlete should wait until he sees the actual issued TUE before he starts taking the drugs.

So does a TUE for an ongoing condition like asthma last forever? Or does it have to be regularly renewed?

does it have to be regularly renewed?

In general, ongoing conditions are subject to periodic review. In the olden days when I had to get a TUE for salbutamol, it was annual.

Maybe it was an emergency TUE. Maybe it was an existing TUE that had expired and was going to be renewed by the OGE doc.

We can keep arguing but it was already reported that the UCI aren't suspending him so presumably they're happy with whatever details make up the explanation.

Maybe it was an emergency TUE. Maybe it was an existing TUE that had expired and was going to be renewed by the OGE doc.

Maybe his dog ate his homework. Whatever it was, he took drugs without having a valid TUE, and that is his responsibility and nobody else's.

An asthma emergency involves hospital and a nebuliser, not a change of inhaler. I've been there, and I couldn't get up a flight of stairs without sitting down for a rest half way, so riding a ProTour bike race would probably have been a bit much too.

We can keep arguing but it was already reported that the UCI aren't suspending him so presumably they're happy with whatever details make up the explanation.

They haven't provisionally suspended him, because their rule book says they don't provisionally suspend people for terbutaline doping. What they decide about his explanation is to come, and is not relevant to the case administration in the period between the adverse analytical finding and the hearing at which his culpability will be judged and his punishment decided.

Never trust a northerner.

Damage is done anyway. No one will trust him now, regardless of any further outcomes.

Not necessarily he will get a hearing.

Depends if Brailsford still has his account with the UCI...

Are Sky still interested in the Yates brothers?

Or is it just one of them now?

If Simon gets a sanction then he'll never ride for Sky, unless they change their zero tolerance policy.

That might preclude Adam riding for sky too then - as far as I've read, they are so close to each other that they come as a two-rider deal. I wonder if that'll change as they get older?

Simon was offered a ride at sky, but turned them down because they wouldn't take adam. Orica agreed to take them both, so they went there.

Brothers are together through thick and thin.

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There is only one WADA accredited lab in Africa. Today WADA suspended their accreditation for 5 months https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2016-05/wada-suspends-the-accreditation-of-the-bloemfontein-laboratory

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/727509056026345473

Makes you wonder about the scale of doping in Kenya. Lot's of money into Kenyan athletics+corruption+minimal testing+dodgy lab=???

Scale? 1:1

Everyone's at it. Lots of stories about dirty runners but not much evidence.