Weight / Fat loss

I don't know, but studies show high-fat milk products equates to lower obesity risk:
npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/02­/12/275376259/the-full-fat-paradox-whole­-milk-may-keep-us-lean

Does it really show that though ? The linked paper says they sampled people twice 12 years apart, binned those who were obese at the start, and found a correlation between becoming obese during the study and being on the low fat dairy.

You can't conclude from that that eating low fat dairy makes you more likely to become obese. It could be that some people are just inclined to obesity, and that low fat dairy helps them to delay its onset. Obesity inclined people on full fat dairy would have been selected out of the study by being obese at the start.

That^^ needs to be on one of those soppy 'love is...' Cards.

Don't cherry pick. There were two studies mentioned, the second being a meta-analysis of 16 studies.

"The second study, published in the European Journal of Nutrition, is a meta-analysis of 16 observational studies. There has been a hypothesis that high-fat dairy foods contribute to obesity and heart disease risk, but the reviewers concluded that the evidence does not support this hypothesis. In fact, the reviewers found that in most of the studies, high-fat dairy was associated with a lower risk of obesity."

There's more arguments for skim milk here but most of that is crying about sat fat which as most studies have shown not actually a risk for heart disease.
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/skim-milk-vs-milk-which-is-the-healthier-choice.html

Aha, CLA was the substance I was thinking about in my first post.

"there are evidences that suggest the conjugated linoleic acid in whole milk can help reduce body fat and increase lean muscle mass"

Don't cherry pick.

"The second study, published in the European Journal of Nutrition

Not cherry picking, just lazy, honest. I only read as far as the link to the first study.

The second study, like the first, does not claim that low fat milk causes or contributes to the risk of obesity, just that it's "associated" (i.e. correlated) with it.

Shit, how are you getting on?

I read about the benefits of CLA years ago when I was losing weight/getting fit and bought a bunch of CLA pills. Couple of days into taking them I came across a bunch of reports/studies that said it does all kinds of bad shit to you and it scared me enough that I never touched them again. Though, I assume healthy amounts of CLA absorbed through diet is a different kettle of fish to hoovering up pills, each containing 1000% RDA of the stuff.

From what I read, CLA hasn't been proved to help weight loss. It's just a theory.

Broadly speaking, I'm almost back to normal. I have one lymph node under my chin that they are still monitoring, but it's the size of a grain of sugar. The original tumour on my tonsil was about the size of a squash ball, so it's all much better. I guess, long term, I'm probably due for a relapse, but I'm looking at 10-15 years before the statistics start stacking against me.
I'm having trouble eating though, because the radiotherapy cooked most of my saliva glands. I can eat for about five minutes before my mouth dries up, and some foods (particularly bread, cheese and rice) are way worse. I'm finding it a struggle to get enough calories down my neck.
My dietician tells me I'm allowed to eat belly-pork for every meal if that's what it takes to keep the weight up. I might die of a heart attack, but the cancer bugger won't get me for a good few years, at least!

Martin MacDonald (MartinNutrition):
Women tend to have greater 24hr fat oxidation (burning) rates than men

Women tend to have higher body fat levels

Fat burning ≠ Fat Loss

http://twitter.com/MartinNutrition/status/567309824673980416

Does that mean women absorb more of the fat they eat, then men do?

No, it means..

Women tend to have greater 24hr fat oxidation (burning) rates than men
Women tend to have higher body fat levels

But but but....

If both men and women eat similar Levels of fat, yet women burn more. How can they have more left?

I thought maybe it was linked to being designed to birth Young-uns. Ie being able to both absorb more of the fat* they eat, and burn it effectively, to aid feeding the unborn child.

(*lemon Yum Yums)

That's the point. They might burn more fat but they store more of other calories as fat so they have more stored fat too. Hence the conclusion.

I just absent-mindedly ate a piece of polystyrene. It wasn't very nice.

Did you mistake it for a rice cake?

Someone probably poured chocolate on it.

I'll eat anything once chocolate has been poured on it.

so true.

Chocolate covered Brussel Sprouts anyone?

but why would anyone even ... ah, Wales.

@Velocio

I'll eat anything once chocolate has been poured on it.

Even the strawberry cremes in a tub of Quality Street?

I love sprouts, that would be well nice!

I like those!!

82kg

Thats around 10-11kg this year