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I think it's a weight weenie, aero, widemca triple combo

31mm Deep - 24mm Wide - 485 grams

^the three lads on the stage at once Domingo, Pavarotti, Carreras.

Well, in 2014 an Aero rim is at least 60 mm deep... anything less is shallow.
The Zipp 303 (45 mm rims) are used for the cobbled classics and the hilly stages of the Tour, go figure

Well, in 2014 an Aero rim is at least 60 mm deep

You can improve the aerodynamics at any depth, the old 30mm deep Zipp 101s were better than many poorly designed 60mm deep rims.

Flocycling changed everything

Zipp's patent lapse changed everything

It seems like most pro tour stage races are ridden on rims < 50mm in depth this year, with a lot of shallow rims even on flat or low mountain stages.

Are pros losing the faith in aero wheels? Most of the teams running narrow campag wheels are using 25mm tyres... which would make most club level timetrialists shake their heads.

When you are in the bunch, all that matters is your lunch

It's not just rider's sitting in, there are plenty of riders breaking away on some distinctly oldschool wheels. The kind that a couple of years ago would be called climbing wheels.

I have noticed that, that's why I have limited my observations to Zipp... teams on Zipp seem to use the 303 in the mountains, rather than the climbing 202. It could be the latter are crap... which they might well be... only Contador liked them in 2011.

As rims got wider, 25 mm tyres make more sense, probably even aerodynamically. Terpsrta was using a rear 30 mm tub when he won Paris-Roubaix

I used 32 mm tubeless for that, but didn't win... :-(

...teams on Zipp seem to use the 303 in the mountains...

That's true. Mid-depth seem more popular than ever.

I've spotted Sky, Bardiani CSF, and Europcar riders on box-section rims in flat races this year – all Shimano or Campag teams come to think of it.

There's probably the making of a drinking game in this.

Received a pair of these rims to review and so I built myself new hoops... :-)

Nice bike, what is it?

The frame is a Genesis Fugio... fork is Planet X as I broke the original... groupset is bits from Shimano and Campagnolo stitched together

Hi guys!

If anyone is interested in getting hand built wheels I build front wheels for £10 and £15 for rear wheels. I can also provide the dt swiss or sapim spokes and calculate the length so it would just be a matter of supplying the rim and hub (able to supply these parts too).

Just give me a PM if you're interested :)

And by cutting the cost of labour you think you are doing the industry a favour?
The way I see it is: if you are good at building wheels and take pride in what you do, I don't see why you should charge half of what the market is... if you are not, then no matter how little you charge, it will always be too much.

That is my view of course... I am sure there are plenty of people around who are happy to destroy a trade which is just starting to pick up again to save a few quid

Do you even capitalism?

And do you?
Capitalism only works if you play by the rules...
If you can afford to charge half of what the market charges, you are clearly not playing by the rules... if you know what I mean.

'nough said from me, don't want to go off topic on this

If you can afford to charge half of what the market charges, you are clearly not playing by the rules...

You couldn't be more wrong. There is no correct price for any good or service, there is only what two people at any moment settle on. If there is a rule in capitalism, it is that it's not worth anybody's while to try to break into a market unless they have a better offer than the established traders.

You have pointed out a flaw in @j808's marketing; by pitching his offer so far below the established sellers, he has caused you (and probably the rest of us) to be suspicious of his quality. As part of your marketing, you have a right to throw a big caveat emptor in his works for that reason, although I suspect everybody else who is a regular on this thread had worked that out for themselves.

How much do you charge to fit a BB?

to be fair Arup's only £10 more per wheel, and we all know he's really good, so despite the low price I know which way I'd go for peace of mind

http://www.yogarup.com/wheels/

This seems like the place to ask "what am i doing wrong"

Im building a low flange miche track to a open pro, Websites ive used say 295mm spokes which seems to be correct. When I lace the first 16 trailing spokes they seem fine, but once the other 16 spokes are laced up. 8 trailing spokes on each side seem to be 5/8mm too long.

Why is this? It also seems to dish itself to the NDS, are the flange sizes different? Do i need 18 shorter spokes?

any help would be swell!

Well I definitely didn't intend to under cut anyone in the cycling industry.
I work in a bike shop myself and have been working as a bicycle mechanic for over 4 years alongside study.
I'm new to offering my repair services on this forum so I didn't know what a good price was - if I charge workshop prices people would just go to their lbs.. I have a park tool wheel truing stand ts2.2, dishing tool and spoke tension meter at home so I have all the tools and I enjoy building wheels so for a little extra cash I thought I was being reasonable.

In hindsight I realised my approach should was wrong and the last thing I want to do is have people think I am under charging because of the lack of quality in my work which is not the case.

32h, 3x? Are you crossing 3 times and targeting the correct spoke hole?

yeah course. I've tried three times now. Even followed Sheldon Browns goddly guide.

Don't judge anything untill all spokes are in place and have some tension. Dish and wobbles will be all over the shop.