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If you aren't super confident about pattern and building, consider going 24/28 for better build tolerances and stiffer wheel for all your out-of-saddle climbing.

consider going 24/28 for better build tolerances and stiffer wheel

A 16:8 24-spoke wheel will actually be stiffer (axially, which is what matters, torsionally which hardly matters but doesn't hurt, and not radially which might actually be a benefit) than 14:14 28-spoke one.

If you aren't super confident about pattern and building, consider going 24/28 for better build tolerances and stiffer wheel for all your out-of-saddle climbing.

I've built a fair share of wheels, but they have always been either 3x, 2x or radial. So 16:8 will be a new challenge. If I can't figure it out I'll take it to someone who can. Just want to make the best decision from a hardware perspective right now.

A 16:8 24-spoke wheel will actually be stiffer (axially, which is what matters, torsionally which hardly matters but doesn't hurt, and not radially which might actually be a benefit) than 14:14 28-spoke one.

So you recommend the 16:8 ? Am thinking 2x for the DS and either radial or 1x for NDS. Logical?

For the front it will be 20h, probably radial.

Thanks

So you recommend the 16:8 ?

Yes. Once you've seen the obvious rightness of the 2:1 pattern for heavily dished rim-brake wheels, you start to wonder how we got so far without its becoming the default.

16 spokes on the drive side is the same as a 32-spoke wheel, so I'd probably go with the 32-spoke default of 3X unless there's some compelling reason to do otherwise. Everybody else seems to go for radial NDS on 2:1 wheels, and I can't think of a reason to disagree.

If you want a 16:8 pattern that's fine, but check the rim is either NON directionally drilled or it is specifically drilled for a 2:1 pattern.

Oh I see, otherwise the spokes will come in at a sharp angle every other hole. Will have to enquire about that. Thanks

And of course you need a hub specially drilled for that too

Yep, hub I can specify for the drilling. Found a photo of the rim, kind of hard to tell but looks non directional to me?
http://www.bikehubstore.com/C22w-p/c22.htm

Why not ask BHS whether they've built any up in 16:8 lacing?

Yeah did so just after, response was "The holes are slightly offset, not enough to make a 16:8 build impossible, but also not ideal".

Think I'll give it a miss then and stick with 12:12 or maybe move up to a 28h rear. Don't want to have nipples sitting at a nasty angle and it seems centre drilled 23mm wide rims do not exist.

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I recently was out of Kinlin XR 300 and bought a pair of Halo Mercury rims from Wynstanleys and they sent me a 24 16:8 drilled.. I sent it back because it was not what I wanted... maybe you could try and retrieve that route? Problem is their website doesn't seem to be very clear on that, unless they have amended it since. Worth a look, they are very decent rims

EDIT: website is now amended...
http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/product/65237/Halo_Mercury_240S_700c_Road_Rim

You can pair it with a normal front one, they have that one too, only thing the decals are slightly different and they can't be removed, if you care about these things

The Halo 16:8 drilled Mercurys and Calibers are skinny though, which is a bit old fashioned. If I had to choose between wide rims and 2:1 lacing, I'd probably go with the wide rims even if it meant adding more spokes to keep the mechanical properties of the 16-spoke drive side.

Yep, I don't like skinny rims either, but hey oh, some do...

Can you get black Archetypes without the white writing? Failing that, can you remove the writing?

If you're getting rims from america, is it worth considering Flo, which are are ~100g heavier but I'd imagine much more arro?

You can remove the decals, it's not difficult...
Kinlin 279 is a very similar rim, considerably cheaper and with no decals, any good for you?

Little repost for clarity

plus bike hub store's new one:
BHS C31w Clincher - 31mm Deep - 24mm Wide - 485 grams
http://www.bikehubstore.com/C31-p/c31.htm

Yeah, top player.

Sounds very light for a rim to brake on of that size. I fear (as the image points out) there isn't much to brake on

Nonparallel brake tracks too by the looks of things.

Can anyone explain to me this obsession for BHS?
I do understand if you want Gigantex rims it is the place to go, but importing alloy rims and taiwanese hubs, with import duties and the hassle involved to save a couple of quid at best... that is a bit beyond me...
When you can get 23 mm rims from 35-55 quid from the UK, I really don't see the point...