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Context is everything Schickles.

You don't say. :)

He's not even 'kinda' low though.

This. Position looks about the same as me on a road bike!

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OUCC! Back in the day ...

Focus on head and arm position, actually holding the shifters will help

OUCC! Back in the day ...

Back even further than your day, my baby brother was OUCC captain

Thanks all!

He's not even 'kinda' low though.

Yeah, this is sort of what I was thinking too. I'll take the last (5mm) spacer out but the Zipp Vuka Clip bars have more stack than my old profile bars so I can't really get them any lower without buying new stuff.

As for the extensions, I don't have my hands at the ends because that is the position I got used to doing Ironman stuff where the logic was to have the upper arms vertical which (I think) is supposed to be more comfortable on longer rides. I was planning on bringing the extensions back so the shifters were in my hands but I'll try moving my arms forward to the current position instead. Now I look at my elbows I realise that they are right next to the steerer tube.

Will try tonight but it's a hilly course so probably not the best test.

OUCC! Back in the day ...

Yup. Actually, I think we might have met once a long time ago. I don't remember the circumstances but it would have been when I was doing a masters in 2007ish and was entertaining the idea of buying my first bike so I could try one of these "ironman" things. I'm sure you won't remember, but your name is more distinctive than mine :-).

The 90 degree arm bend thing is true but if I can hold more than that for a 24hr then so can anyone else, given time and working arms.

Yup. Actually, I think we might have met once a long time ago. I don't remember the circumstances but it would have been when I was doing a masters in 2007ish and was entertaining the idea of buying my first bike so I could try one of these "ironman" things. I'm sure you won't remember, but your name is more distinctive than mine :-).

Quite possibly - it was quite a dream team for Varsity back in 2007 with me, David McGaw and Dean Robson. The TTT that year was hard as - we lost 9min to a puncture (even went back to the HQ and hunted for a spare wheel) and still got bronze. Definitely did more cycling than studying :D old kit looked better though ;)

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Managed a pb of 57.44 on the R25/7 yesterday. Left the gearing at 101" which seemed about right with the return headwind. Combination of road racing and club TT's seem to be paying off!

Don't get too excited, it's very parochial. Just The Hounslow's club record.

However it may have some interest to forum users since this record is to be attempted on a basic track bike (i.e. 'athlete's hour style), and it is an example which shows that any organisation can set its own records: there's no reason why there should not be an lfgss record.

The Hounslow record could quite well be set on a modern machine, but when an attempt was made in 2011 it was decided that since the existing record had been set on an old style machine, a record set on a modern bike would be a different record, so it would be valid but would not replace the old one. To put it another way - a new category of record would have been created.

Our would be recordman, Nic Stagg, chose - rather bravely I think - to attack the old record, and now we have another attempt at the same record by Rob Gilmour.

When Nic started the old record looked fairly easy to break. It had been set in 1969 at Paddington by the then 16 year old Bob Garlinge and stood at 24.723 miles - a great deal slower than Nic would expect to do on the road in a 25. However on the day it turned out that Bob's record was a much tougher proposition than anyone had expected and it was only by a great effort that Nic managed to improve the distance to 24.775 miles - about 90 yards.

I wouldn't suggest it's worth travelling far to watch one old bloke riding round Palmer Park track, but if you just happen to be in the area the the day is next Tuesday (8th July) and the start time 3pm.

R.G. time trialling on his hour bike.

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Good luck to him, even riding an hour record is bad enough regardless of the distance you get. PP is a bit relentless holding your line for that long too, it's also a bit slower than eg Aldersley as it's more exposed, but even on consecutive windless days it was a good number of watts slower when I went to both recently. Loving the attention to helmet detail there

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Thanks. He'll need all the luck he can get.

It's interesting to note that both Rob and Nic started their racing careers with the Clarence Wheelers and so came under the influence of Alf Whiteway.

Alf was both dedicated and dictatorial. His main enthusiasm was for low fixed gears. Rob tells me that his first sub hour 25 (a 57) was done on 82" - naturally without the benefit of anything aero.

Alf's greatest claim to fame was Tony Doyle's professional world pursuit title in 1980 ( incidentally achieved on Alf's 24 spoke Airlites). However, even at this length of time after he left the scene, his 'foals' still keep cropping up in the results.

Best of luck to him.

When's the LFGSS Hour Record gonna happen? RPM has the keys to Lee Valley right...

I got a timetrial coming up next weekend, probably a bit different from what you guys do but hey :)

It's a two stage event (saturday / sunday with a lot of beer in between), over 62 miles for each stage and crossing a border. There is no pre-defined road. It's done more alleycat style then an official timetrial. There are two groups competing, the people who ride fixed (biggest group) and the people who ride with gears. Going to be fun :). Due to my knee surgery in the beginning of this year I'll be riding geared. Going to put my aero bars on my roadbike today. 90MM carbon front wheel with flat spokes is in the LBS. Needs a new tired glued on it.

I haven't got the official times yet, but it looks as though I took 1m37s off my 10 mile PB this evening - 25m35s to 23m58s. Quite glad I didn't go for the 25 mile option - it started raining towards the end of my ride, started bucketing it down during my warm down, and by the time I was taking my race number off (sitting in the car) the rain was (1) torrential (2) horizontal (3) enlivened by lots of thunder and lightning.

I suspect the wind (headwind on the way out, tailwind on the way back) picked up during the ride, but don't tell anyone...

That's a healthy margin: retire on a high.

I turned up, to find it cancelled: default win?

Yeah, but under the Danstuff Reward Programme, because I've done a sub-24 minute time I now get to use the Zipp 808 Firecrests and a skinsuit. If I do sub-23.30 I get to use my disc wheel. It'd be rude to stop before I'm in full-on kit-wanker mode.

It is time to move up to 25s though. I've got an Alden BTA bottle mount on the way, and my aim for next year is a sub-hour 25. I'm trying to decide whether I'm ambitious, deluded, or both.

Good stuff Daniel. Dibs all the old bits you upgrade from.

Plenty of time to go under the hour this year

I need bigger gears.

When's the LFGSS Hour Record gonna happen? RPM has the keys to Lee Valley right...

Is there a record at Herne Hill?

I'm sure I've read about people riding the Hour there.

Here's one example..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Southall

25 miles 1520 yards

26 miles and 838 yards at Herne Hill in June 1926

"In May 1993, Obree broke Dave Lloyd’s British Hour Record at the Herne Hill Velodrome, riding with his arms tucked in – which had became known as the Obree position."