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  • @benrileysmith

    Seat projections from the new MRP poll for
    @Telegraph

    Labour 516

    Tories 53

    Lib Dems 50

    SNP 8

    Plaid 4

    Reform 0

    This suggests the Lib Dems are in touching distance of becoming the official opposition.

  • Finally got around to doing this. Didn't really expect the outcome, to be honest.


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  • The quote you've selectively used there is actually quite interesting,
    because while it criticises 'a lack of leadership within the Labour
    Party', it stops short of apportioning blame for this.

    You mean it stops short of specifically calling out Corbyn by name as the sole owner of the problem. And so it should. The role of EHRC was to determine whether a breach of equality law had happened, and it determined that it had, and that that was the fault of the leadership. Now, the leadership IS wider than simply Corbyn. But anyone reading that report is left in no doubt that Corbyn bore primary responsibility, since he also appointed the leadership team and approved the processes. He is the leader. He bears responsibility. Which makes his minimisation of the problem so grotesque.

    As for your Forde report quote, that Jeremy Corbyn didn't engage in
    requests to interview him was neither here nor there. Loads of people
    declined to be interviewed, including many of those responsible for
    the outbursts that sparked Forde being called in to investigate in the
    first place. So to interpret that as 'not tackling the issue and not
    taking it seriously' (by which you mean the issue of antisemitism) is
    disingenuous at best.

    The EHRC report says Corbyn didn't take the issue seriously. Forde goes quite a bit further: "there is enough evidence of direct intervention to support the conclusion that such interference went ebyond what was the legitimate interest of LOTO, most notably in relation to cases which involved allies of Jeremy Corbyn".

    See the case of Glynn 'Jews in the gutter' Secker, whose investigation was lifted after Seamus Milne interfered to let him off the hook because 'Corbyn was interested in this one'. They didn't even use this example in the judgement!

    And actually, it does matter how many people had been 'institutionally
    discriminated against' when you're talking about the scale of
    something. That EHRC found evidence it had happened in two cases where
    it deemed the Labour Party was directly responsible. It also found
    wider evidence of antisemitic behaviour - but not that much wider.
    Nevertheless, the findings were acknowledged by Jeremy Corbyn when he
    made the statement to which you object. And the gravity of it was
    accepted. Nevertheless, the point that the scale was exaggerated still
    stands.

    If an institution is proven to have discriminated against a group of people on two occasions, then they have actually done so on many more. That's literally the point.

    And you misunderstand Corbyn's point on that facebook post. He's not talking about the EHRC examples - even he wouldn't be that crass. He's referring to a bit of hagiography created by Bad News For Labour which he began to rely on after many years of telling us that he had no idea how much antisemitism there was in the party. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyns-claim-that-labour-antisemitism-numbers-are-exaggerated

    As for the the tip of the iceberg thing - I read the same bit of the
    EHRC report and if that iceberg consists of 18 further borderline
    cases and evidence of antisemitic conduct among members (that were not
    deemed the responsibility of the leader of the opposition), then it's
    not exactly an iceberg, is it? More a perfectly visible snowball.

    Page 8 of the report. I know you saw the phrase "This is by no means the full extent of the issues we identified within the files in our sample; it represents the tip of the iceberg" because it's directly above "18 borderline cases". You can argue with EHRC if you want. I wouldn't have the nerve.

    But ultimately, you're saying Jeremy Corbyn should have had no right
    to reply, which is pretty wild IMO.

    He's perfectly entitled to say whatever he wants within the law, and nothing about what he said was illegal. By the same token, I'm entitled to point out that what he said was inappropriate, tone-deaf, and unprofessional, and I can see why the whip was instantly removed.

  • Why are people still writing essays on Corbyn?

  • This suggests the Lib Dems are in touching distance of becoming the official opposition.

    It also has Sunak losing his seat.

  • Why are people still writing essays on Corbyn?

    It's bemusing isn't it?

  • Ha ha ha, please let this come to pass. Reform with sweet FA would be amazing

  • Sounds like voting Lib Dem comes with some real benefits

  • My tactical vote will pay dividends….

  • Almost 3 million have registered to vote since the election was called. Half of them (maybe surprisingly low?) under 34.

  • But wouldn't they have to change their constitution to do that. Would the members go for it?

  • You're looking pretty far right compared to most of the results so far. Are you Reform?

    This is meant to be in jest, the quiz seems as accurate as some of the gash on Facebook for "which quiddich team are you"

  • Most of "his" wealth is actually his wife's wealth from Infosys shares. Richi's personal earned wealth is supposedly only (ha) in the £20M range.

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  • And then you have Matt Goodwin shilling for Reform (“my firm People Polling on behalf of the client GB News…”)


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  • Blimey, Islington North Labour Party chair has resigned after knocking on doors for Jeremy

  • I'm actually Count Binface.

  • Just been listening to Stella Creasy on Oh God, What Now.

    Brilliant. Smart, clear, passionate, inspiring.

  • She’s our local mp, definitely a goodun

  • I'm pretty sure binface is the (0,0) point on those graphs. His croissant pledge is a winner.

  • Lucky you.

    Mine is a suspected rapist.

  • People are still denying that antisemitism was a real problem in labour.

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