General Election 2024

Because due to ever increasing house prices and a lack of cheap debt nobody can afford the shit houses they build these days?

I think it's so very On Brand for sunak to double the amount that can be spent of Social Media, only to run out of money half way through and be completely out spent by Labour. Labour ads everywhere nothing from the tories.

So very very sunak.

The civil service has been cut to the bone. Labour won't have anyone to implement the things they want to do and it's going to be a consultancy bonanza.

Are you really comparing Nigel Farage to Hitler/Martin Luther King?

Were we not going back to the reformation?

Not sure that was the intention but the original post that was being defended was banding Nige in with Thatcher and Blair so....

Nige?!?!?

Strongly agree with your outrage. @onyerbike please use a suitably derogatory word!!

Martin Luther, not Martin Luther King.

They were eg of people who imo were not just inevitable actors in the movement of history, but people who altered what happened because of who they were.

To preempt the next question, no of course I don't think our leaving the EU is as significant as the Reformation.

But I don't think the referendum or UKIPs traction was inevitable. If say James Goldsmith had lived longer, or Kilroy was in charge we wouldn't have had the outcome we did Imo.

If he's not the 3rd most important UK politican in the last 50yrs after Thatcher and Blair who is?

George Osborne? Theresa May?

Hannan or Johnson.

Norman Lamont

I wondered about Johnson, but I don't think so. I think he's shifted the dial on what people will accept, but what is his actual legacy/achievement?

When all is said and done, he influenced the result of the referendum, but what else? It was so tight that maybe he did make the difference. But I'm not sure what beyond that he did.

Gordon Brown

Oh God What Now discussed who the worst PM it the last 14yrs was. I can't remember the result, but I think a few def said Cameron because he is the architect of it all - austerity, the referendum, etc.

But if he'd improved financial regulation, would that have really negated the impact of the Banking Crisis and the global wave of populism that came after? Especially given how central FS is to our economy?

Also seems a bit harsh to lay it all at his door.

Norman Lamont

He always makes me think of
https://youtu.be/iAU7pATH5_M?si=mcQp42X-fGfH7CiZ

Definitely not Johnson - just a shambolic opportunist, did not change anything significant.

I sometimes wonder where we'd be at if John Smith hadn't died in '94.

I was answering the question; third most impactful in the last 50 years.

I believe his role in New Labour has been under valued. if i had to pick a 3rd place, I put him forward.

For me, biggest What If in modern British Politics

Yesterday I wrote a thread about the Daily Mail “Zinoviev“ letter,
which stole the 1924 election for the Tory party, and suggested we
might see something similar, sometimes soon.

Daily Mail today…

https://x.com/jdpoc/status/1802062270828106022

Looks like him out of OMD.

Updated Survation MRP poll:

LAB 456
CON 72
LD 56
SNP 37
RFM 7
PC 2
GRN 1

https://www.survation.com/mrp-update-first-mrp-since-farages-return/

If Greens vote libdem Bad Enoch is toast;

https://x.com/RussInCheshire/status/1802243217842221276