The fall of the Tory party

To watch Rory Stewart pull faces on TRIP.

The tories will never disappear.

I agree with this. It makes the current turn of events even funnier as the core membership seem to be intent on driving the bus off the cliff (or into la la land) when given half a chance while shouting "will somebody just stop the boats!™" LMAO.

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My theory, to be checked against actual votes, is that the moderate Tory MPs miscalculated.

That's how Margaret Thatcher got in. She was supposed to be just a stalking horse against Heath, and nobody thought she had a chance. Heath's team downplayed her chances to bolster their man's image (at no risk, so they thought). Her team also downplayed her chances, to persuade moderates who would never otherwise have backed her to give her their vote.

Here we are.

I thought there might be some wild tactical voting, but didn't think it would be that wild.

Space for a party to the left of labour to win a GE.

Labour has never elected a woman. Labour is very conservative.

If you look at the vote moves round to round from the start, I think it is more plausible that Jenrick was lending votes in the prior round to Cleverley, but I am not sure what the motive was.

I can't believe anyone would vote lend in the final round unless they knew with high certainty they were well over the 40 votes required.

It is also possible that Kemi was vote-lending in the prior round.

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It will take a lot of unpicking...

The ‘one nation’ Tories should just fucking give up.

They had enough votes to get Cleverly through but still managed to fuck it up.

I'm struggling to deal with the Tory party doing the funniest thing possible in every situation

As a forum we all subscribe to nominative determinism. If Cleverly can live up to his name, he has accomplished his goal. Tory MPs, members and this thread are left wondering how he is not on the final ballot. He most probably instructed his most trusted followrrs to vote for other candidates;
No-one can hope to resolve the current split in the Tory party, 'see of Reform' by tacking Right, whilst recovering the Blue Wall seats by tacking back towards the centre to see off the LibDems.

We will be witnessing a repeat of the Tories 'Three Stooges' era, (Hague, ids, Howard), from 1997 until 2005, when no matter the calibre of the leader the Tories made little progress back towards power.

Cleverly is positioned to take over when he likes after others have failed.

Come on Kemi. Do another opinion!

Racking my brains as to why Kemi attracts such hostile reactions compared to Jenrick, for example, who has pretty similar views.

who has pretty similar views

*who has pretty similar views now

It’s not like he’s ever been consistently one thing. So you’d think that wouldn’t go down well with them. It must be something else then…

Maybe I've missed it but I've not heard Jenrick come out with really batshit stuff like 10% of civil servants should be in jail.

I would have thought the unlawful approval of Westferry housing development was streets ahead of anything Kemi had said or done.

Seriously didn’t realise she was…

Oh yes, plenty of dodgy stuff like that and his current opaque funding but that doesn't come across in a soundbite like Badenoch's stuff.

With the risk of coming across as a full on Badenoch apologist, I think the civil servant thing was clearly intended as a humourous rhetorical exaggeration.

Badenoch comes off as aggressive and unlikeable for little reason. Jenrick in my mind is interchangeable with about 10 other front bench ministers, utterly forgettable suit for hire that would say anything to progress his career. Don't know a lot about either to be honest.

There's going to be a Jenreich Badenoch debate on GB News

Jenrick has so far come across as quite exceptionally corrupt even by standards of today's politicians, though.

Where are all the One Nation Tories? Is it really that bad? Have they all gone to Labour?

I'm sure, hopefully there will be plenty spotlight on him in the next few weeks.