The fall of the Tory party

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Andy P for PM

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I would like to try and explain :)

I live in Chingford and Woodford Green, so was all up for voting for Faiza Shaheen and getting rid of IDS.
But then Labour deselect her, parachute in an out of constituency candidate and IMO remove a person who should be inside the Labour Party contributing to policy and being a voice of difference.
This annoys me so much I can not bring myself to vote Labour.

It's like a parallel universe.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jul/04/rebel-with-a-cause-inside-the-moment-fatima-payman-quit-the-labor-party

Lots of us over here barracking for Labor minority government next time round, and the disgraceful toadying to the Israel/US/fossil-fuel/military-industrial lobby over Gaza should clinch it, with lots of Muslim activism generating more independent candidates seeking to overthrow our blatant duopoly.

Illegal migration is not about data, it’s optics. Look how far Rishi pushed the stop the boats agenda, brought in from the right wing.

IMO Labour have to snuff out that fire in order to push a new narrative. Otherwise it will always be thrown at them, it will come back to bite them when Suella is Con leader and scrapping the barrel for headlines.

Stop The Boats is a Crosby|Textor import from Oz, where early on, we hoped Labor would show some decency, but they didn't hesitate to get right down in the gutter with the moustache-twirlers. Joining in with pandering to idiots seems to be their answer to nearly every confected culture war wedge.

Hoping Labour is better than Labor on that score, but it doesn't look promising

Wedge issue - yes. Culture war - yes. Agreed on all counts.

Would Labour have been able to wipe the floor with the Tories if they stood on moral principle? I doubt it.

I prey the culture war style politics dies and Labour act as the grown up in the room, but it is important to be seen as effective in dealing with what the right wing say is a concern.

Waving away the concerns of a rising right wing politics neglects the reality of centrist politics - that being, the party has to track the narrative and cover both the far reaches of the left and right of the public discord.

And I don’t believe Labour can retain power and control if not in the centre.

re Stopping the boats. Get the assessments working again with more people (which will be paid for by not putting up immigrants/asylum seekers in hotels for so long). Clear the back log and get those who can stay allowed to work ASAP, those who can't, processed back.
Open a pre-assessment centre in France.
A clear, legal route in will minimise the demand for boat crossings.
Net gain from people being able to work sooner, better optics from fewer small boats, less cost on housing.

Nah. Clarkson is way too much for himself and hates having to go into London these days.

Actually that sounds exactly like a Tory MP hahah

Not Reform?

The problem was that the Tories closed legal migration routes so illegal was the only way. If labour open safe legal and ideally France based assessment office routes then they can hammer through the applications and the "illegal" numbers fall to basically zero.

Some nice blue on blue schadenfreude in here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/08/leaderless-purposeless-tories-extinction-government

What if the party has no purpose in the current or future? Maybe the answer they are all reaching for is staring them in the face. Shutter it and drift off to Reform and Lib Dem.

I clicked on the braverman story on that page and was surprised to read this:

Those who have spoken to Sunak describe him as shellshocked by the election result

Really??

I was shocked to read that Sunak was shocked by the election result.

I was shocked sunak won his seat and the Tories got to 120 seats

If you had been called a rat-faced cunt, 'for up to 10 minutes', by 252 ex-Tory MPs you might be a bit 'shell-shocked' as well.

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To be fair, that says something about Sunak's character. Can you imagine Johnson or Truss doing that?

I think calling all 252 former MPs over the weekend is so much BS (this at The Guardian being taken in by a press release, not you).

Let’s say that he spent an average of 4 minutes on each (including sobbing between calls), did he really spend over 8 hours on this plus any breaks for lunch/bathroom on both Saturday and Sunday?

I can’t.

But as above, I don’t think that Sunak did so either.

Can you imagine Johnson or Truss doing that?

Johnson? Yes. But only to borrow money.

Truss? No. I doubt she can use a phone for speaking.

it will be fewer than 252 because loads of them resigned before the election.
you'd feel a bit shit(ter) now if you were a Tory MP who lost his seat and hadn't received a call.

I can't imagine someone writing that being a "natural Tory". Is she looking for a new home?

Fair enough.

I still don’t buy that he called all of those who stood and lost. And that might be unfair but he’s lied so much and so often, with repetition even when he’s called out, to not warrant the benefit of the doubt.

Did Sunak call Truss??!

"Sorry you lost your seat but it was completely your fault you complete lunatic"

Andy C for PM

Election needed for leadership election elector... Is there anyone left?

The final timeline must be agreed by the remaining 121 Conservative MPs, with the hope of electing a new chair of the backbench 1922 Committee within days. The two remaining members of the committee, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown and Bob Blackman, will stand for chair.

“One of the problems is that we literally don’t have a committee because all but two of them lost their seats – the two people tipped for chairman were Eddie Hughes and Mark Spencer and they lost their seats,” one senior Tory said. “So at the moment we can’t even start to put a plan in place.”