The fall of the Tory party

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/rishi-sunak-fearful-of-losing-his-seat-sources-say

I swear to god if any one person votes Binface, Raving Loony, Reform or any of the other joke parties standing there for 4 da lolz instead of humiliating this cunt, I will kill them dead.

Doesn't the outgoing prime minister provide a nomination list to the current prime minister. Id think starmer might object.

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Labour need to rebuild the social contract. People need to see value in THEIR government and there should be mutual support. There needs to be an understanding of how we all contribute to the success of the nation.

When I say that I mean there is more to a country than it's economy, it's the people and how we support each other to be safe, happy and successful in what we choose to do.

Some of the hereditary lords are better than the recent appointments. Look at Michelle Mone or Charlotte Owen.

One of the major failures in recent years has been the lack of focus on longer term results/outcomes, with an extremely short termist view expressed in virtually all discussions of a political nature, be they by politicians, media or indeed in every day conversations. It's very depressing.

Very much this. However much Starmer is not what some people want from a Labour leader, hopefully there will some actual governing for the medium/long term good of the country and an irrelevant Tory/Reform platform such that they can be ignored.

But I do worry that the US gives a glimpse into the future where that is what Biden has largely done, to the detriment of ignoring Trump and what he did/will do to break the democratic system there. And the good Biden has done for people/the economy is drowned out by culture-war shrieking. Ugh. So depressing.

What’s your objection to reasonably priced croissants?

By the cut of Starmer's jib, I'd guess you'll get little more than window dressing in terms of resuscitating the nation; he'll just make some pretty noises while continuing the neoliberal feeding frenzy on its carcass.

Less Joe Biden and more Anthony Albanese; Labour in name only.

I'm not sure it is a cycle though. The drivers of populism are established, and set to continue.

Demographic change and ageing populations requiring ever greater share of government expenditure to go on pension and healthcare funding to maintain a minimum standard of service.
Low growth and low productivity.
Immigration driven by the need for workers in key industries / sectors.
Climate change driving concurrent political / economic / social instability across many areas of the world driving further immigration.
An economic model of globalised capitalism that concentrates power and wealth with a small global elite.
A media that imposes a wall-to-wall omerta on all of the above.
Digital media that enables and facilitates populism, and constantly reinforced the gap between people's aspirations (influencer culture etc), and their reality.
Probably ai makes all this worse.

Parklife!

None of this goes away unless people can start creating an open-source alternative to the neoliberal knackers' yard, and build it up to something we can secede to.

I'm going to miss this thread.

The Tories will still exist, there's no reason that it can't continue until they've fallen further.

“The continued failings of the Tory party”

Dancing on the grave of the Tory party.

The fall of farage?

I swear there was a male journalist on one of the podmasters podcasts a while back who'd done a deep dive on Tate, but I can't find it... it's a hard thing to search though.

I found it really interesting, in particular the eg of practical advice for young men mainly in the Jordan P. variety but it demonstrated the question of where do young men get their advice from. When I grew up it came from a combo of older kids, FHM and Loaded.

My 12 year old nephew recently got his first phone and was desperate to have Whatsapp for FIFA chat or whatever he and his pals are into; they all changed their profile picture to one of Andrew Tate riding a lion because it was "a cool-looking guy riding a lion." We had a polite conversation with him - he's a very sensible and sensitive kid - pointing out who Tate actually was and what he represents. It's pernicious and alarming how easily younger folk can be seduced.

Also, Fuck the Tories. Am looking forward to them being utterly pulverised if not humiliated.

Feels like we should have a FoTTP thread party this evening or maybe tomorrow.

Op nailed the thread title

if politics goes the same way as the last 80 years we should start a " fall of the labour party thread "
hopefully it'll be a couple of terms and many hundreds of thousands of posts ! but it'll come eventually

unfortunately

We do.

This thread will continue until the Tories fall so much that they're a decomposing pile of vomit, stepped and rubbed into the ground by every person who's lives they touched. (people who'd rather not step in the Tory Vomit pile can choose the spit so long as its the green gob not polite spittle)

The vomit stepping queue will bubble up somewhere near Grimsby ending in Tufton Street and will last for around 100 days.

While the above may be borne out of my current gastric ulcer which began around the time the election was called and involved much billious vomiting, this evening the symptoms have alleviated slightly which I take as a good omen.

just voted, good turn out according to the polling station attendants, come on you reds

snooze till 10 then listen till laura kuensberg starts blathering at which point i'll switch off and snooze some more

snooze for the win

Sounds about right to me. Measured even.