The fall of the Tory party

it’s so engrained in press culture, would this actually happen

Risk it wouldn't, certainly not immediately, but after five years in opposition? With the Tories suffering a slow drip of less money, less TV appearances, less parliamentary time etc.

Maybe; agree it might be a pipedream though

A very interesting and thought provoking moment in Lewis Goodall's soliloquy at the end of Friday's Newsagents podcast.

If the Tory party does fall, properly fall, then where will all the Tory / centre right voters go?

And what kind of politics will we have once their home is, presumably, a former fat right nationalist party run by a chancer racist?

Look to France and shudder.

I think the Lib Dem’s step into that void.

One hopes

This is very interesting on the subject of the fall of the Tories

https://youtu.be/TADeOmCVo_s?si=nq2kndDK-hFNlmcs

Yeah watched this yesterday. Was surprisingly solid interview.

Nature abhors a vacuum- if not the LD’s then the Greens maybe? If the Tories reconstitute from the wreckage under say Braverman or Badenoch they’ll be unable to position themselves as Centre-Right to voters, much as they lie about it to themselves.

The Greens are miles away from even centre Tories.

if not the LD’s then the Greens maybe?

The Greens aren't going to win enough votes and Aggi is correct. If former Tory voters can't find a mainstream party to shelter in, they're likely to be hoovered up by the lunatic fringe.

Really interesting interview. Aaron Bastani is excellent, though I don't share his political positions. Lots of interesting analysis from Oborne, but I think he misses some of the big contemporary trends, despite his strengths on the historical sweep. The contemporary trend he nails is that our politics is now bought and paid for by the billionaire class.

Having said the above, I haven't seen any analysis on the fact that Labour will be the first government in about half a century to come to office without any obligations to the Sun or the Times. That will be interesting.

Tories trying to bury the impact assessments of cut in UC...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-instruct-lawyers-fight-release-33089620

my limited survey of one guy in the office who is a former tory voter reveals that he is switching allegiance to lib dem for '24

just an incredibly long-winded effort to save the tories, whatever shape they assume. i don't think that ex-telegraph person needs platforming
edit. hasn’t he got a golf club bar to waffle on about the demise of civility at? that is, the demise ‘goodness’ within a party who, in my lifetime anyway, have only demonstrated their total lack of positive moral standards

Rishi Sunak says he is not being investigated in betting scandal probe

Yep, that's always a good sign.

We had some Tory Boyz canvassing our area on Saturday. My wife who is normally very not interested in politics was very kind to the hound Tory boy.

Hi can I talk to you about the Conservative Party?

No thank you.

Could I leave you with a Conservative Party leaflet?

No thank you, not interested.

LOL

Would he do something as grubby as a few hundred quid on Betfair?

Any punt he took on an election date would presumably take a more deniable form through some financial instrument or other, or a tip off to his family.

I doubt he laid a bet.

But he may have made a suggestion of it.

I can imagine him mentioning it as a funny haha, since it wouldn't seem real to him that anyone would care about winning a hundred quid or two.

If a couple of the people being investigated by the Gambling Commission say "Rishi suggested it as an idea" ....

Nice.

I told ours if he left his leaflet on my doorstep, I'd report him for littering.

I’m not sure this is true. Starmer has had ‘interviews’ with Murdoch and his press are allowing things to proceed as they are. Presumably this is because Murdoch and associates are happy with the direction of travel I.e continued transfer of wealth from poor to billionaire level rich and support for American foreign policy.

i expect that The S*n will come out for Starmer shortly, if only so they can later claim to have delivered the victory.

It’s The Scum what won it.

It’s better I didn’t answer the door.

I’d rather set myself on fire than vote Tory.

Here’s the number for the Samaritans you’ll need it after the election.

I live in a block on the 3rd floor.
I miss having it out with door knockers, be it political, religious or other.
Back when I was at uni we’d regularly invite them in for tea and spliffs, whatever their persuasion.

Today I binned a load of fliers left by one of the local independent swivels that had been left in the entrance. Really not the same.