Standert Standert read all about it

A proper winter n=1 almost ? Isn't the erdgeschoss full on adventure with a longer geo that cannot translate to enjoyable winter road riding ? Just thinking out loud, i I would struggle to reconciliate the 2.

This is the geo against my current bike;

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I’m no geo expert but that looks a good match and with the fork rake changeable and rear slide thingy. Should be good no?

That looks great, and the price is much better than their regular steel ones.
Not sure why the standert is labelled a size 60 though ?

It was between this and a Bokeh, as you know been considering for some time haha

I mean.... the standert definitly takes the style points, but they are similar in idea

I also think it would be a lousy winter bike. There's more to geometry than stack and reach. It'll feel like a boat.
If you want a gravel bike that you can do the occasional road ride on, fine. But for a dedicated winter road bike, I'd be looking for something much more road bike shaped.

i dont look too far beyond seat angle, wheelbase and chainstay length and yeah you have a point but the standard (no i wont spell it in german) isnt too boat-like on paper at least? Maybe HT a little slack but not massively

Like I say I’m no expert but with rake adjustment and rear sliding drops 🤷‍♂️

Also serious threat of going anti to the gravel thread here.

Of you can find something more versatile to sit along my road bike I’m all ears

a Domane

Oh yeah that’s hugely different from my Ultimate 🤣🙄

has mudguard mounts :P

or a Grizl !

Anything made by big brands will ride better than niche brands like Standard, Mason, Fairlight

you know this! you have a dale and a canyon

Sometimes you need to live a little ;-)

I have made that mistake when I bought a Leica

Anything made by big brands will ride better than niche brands

Strong agree. I'll take something mass produced in Taiwan by the big names any day over some heavy 4130 All-Road with hipster tax. coughMASH
But! The Standert is soo pretty. I want one.

I'm not so sure that it would feel like a boat as a winter road bike? Why?
It's 1 degree slacker, but I don't think it's going to feel terrible.
If it's primarily going to be a gravel bike, its a good compromise as a winter bike. Going for something more road bike shaped would mean having two separate bikes, one gravel, one winter, which is of course the ideal solution.

standert is not a german word. standard on the other hand is.

Why no one is suggesting Standert Pfadfinder to @GoatandTricycle ?

Largely because ‘Fadfinder’ is the most appropriate name for a gravel bike and we need to protect our people.

I'm not so sure that it would feel like a boat as a winter road bike? Why?

Combination of the 1 degree slacker and the much longer fork, longer chainstays.
Unknown BB drop etc
It's not going to be terrible, of course. Just not "quick" handling like a road bike.
As I said if it's going to be mostly a gravel bike but it can do the odd road ride here and there, fine. But I wouldn't buy it as a solely winter road bike to only ever use 30c tyres on. A cross bike would be closer to road geo with that kind of tyre clearance

A cross bike would be closer to road geo with that kind of tyre clearance

https://standert.de/collections/stichsage

Genuine question under what circumstance do you require quick handling in the winter?

Also didn’t Josh Ibbet win TCR on a Ti Bokeh?? I’m not sure my bike is ever going to be my limiting factor.

It’s main stay is to ride with my daughter replace the slate so I can do longer multi day bike packing things and winter riding when crap weather with probably minimum 32c. and Dynamo routing.

Genuine question under what circumstance do you require quick handling in the winter?

What does the season have to do with how you want a road bike to handle?

Also didn’t Josh Ibbet win TCR on a Ti Bokeh?? I’m not sure my bike is ever going to be my limiting factor.

Nobody's saying it would be slower. I'm only talking about feel.

If it's for bikepacking, it's fine. If it's going to be for doing 30kmh winter road miles, I'd just look for something closer to a road bike but that is entirely just me and I went custom to do just this. Plenty of people are happy with gravel bikes for winter, I found it slow feeling and dull and wasn't sure why I needed to put up with that because of the time of year