How do I bathroom / kitchen / extension? etc.

Indeed, I'm really enjoying that at the moment.

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If you look at a positively selected sample of Victorian building (i.e. what people thought was worth keeping / repairing post the Luftwaffe) it will show in a good light.

I live in a pretty standard Victorian railway worker’s house that has none of the features you mention - because it was built for the working classes, just like the example newbuild you selected.

Modern new builds look like Victorian houses drawn by children, which is a shame.

ornamentation

Literally a crime. Read the whole architecture thread as penance.

Just put first signature and payment against loft conversion.

Current mental state...

saved by modern tech

Have you lived in one?

General comment not aimed at apc:

The windows are small and ghastly on the example ^^ due to heat efficient regs meeting economic reality. Could have bigger windows and meet the regs, but then Barrett or whatever makes less profit as they would cost more to meet the standard. So they design in cheap shitty small windows to keep the costs down and the profit up.

FWIW I'm not sure new, detached houses are equivalent to victorian workers' cottages. For that you'd have to look at maybe new build mixed social / low rent accommodation, which at least in the south east now means flats, and with all the problems modern flat builds have caused, like being rabbit hutch sized fire hazards.

I'm not sure new, detached houses are equivalent to victorian workers' cottages

That development I posted a picture to (which is completely typical), has 1700 homes and only 10% affordable.

some homes be good some be shitty - having a good client , architect and contractor working together is how success happens

Prize winning by Norwich council here

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Yeah this development was really really good.

Re the size of windows, I suspect that the invention of electric light had some influence over how big people wanted / needed their windows to be...

Who are you going with?

I'm pondering one at my current place.

60s places tend to have nice big windows.

The living room window in our 1949 council terrace is 2500 x 1500!

Lucky it’s no longer single glazed steel frame and we’re upgrading the coal fire heating.

I reckon you can guess the answer to that :)

If all goes to plan I'll be in the enviable position of having one of Harringay's very few (legit) roof terraces.

it was built for the working classes, just like the example newbuild you selected

Wait, am I working class?

it was built for the working classes, just like the example newbuild you selected

Wait, am I working class?

If you have to ask

Glad to see my throwaway comment spurred such healthy debate! I was overexaggerating slightly, of course there are are good & bad examples of contemporary, post-war and Victorian mass development. However, but my point was that society and homebuyers seem to be able to discern the difference between good and bad contemporary design, but are often blind to the failings of the shittily built Victorian terraced houses.

I'd only buy one if it was an absolute wreck, cos then you know you're going to rip everything out anyway, and can price that into the purchase price.

We've gone for electric ufh using this kit

Figured it was better to install than not and it should play nice with the Nest system we'll have installed

It's Norwich though.

Best bloody place on earth

My sister lives in one built about 10 years ago, not sure who built it, not Barrett but is a fairly off the shelf looking new build.

Has more light and is far more insulated than my victorian house, nice to also have sockets at a good height, everything is in the right place, not dealing with the decade of add-ons and bodges. Finishing is a bit shoddy, skirting boards have gaps and there is one room where the flooring doesnt go up to the door frame so not exactly perfect. Garden is dull.

It wouldnt win any architectural awards, sure, also helps its in Manchester so about 1/3 the cost.

Depends what you want.

Second best after Shattered Dreams Parkway.

Nice. Council planning must be mellowing in their stance.

fuck planners and conservation officers.

I'd been keeping my eye on an application on Mattison Rd, three streets away.

Lots of objections to the planned roof terrace (overlooking, noise etc.) so I was surprised to see it granted.

3.5 The roof terrace would be 2 metres deep and will be enclosed by 1.7m high frosted
glass on either side as per amended drawing no. D06 REV-3. The proposed roof
terrace would be been set in and pulled back so that it does not project beyond the
existing chimney. Access to the terrace would be via the bedroom over the
outrigger. The modest scale of the roof terrace and the fact that it is well pulled in
from rear building line and in from the side of the outrigger will mean that the
structure will not be highly visible and will not detract from the character and
appearance of the building or area. In making a decision on the application here the
Local Planning Authority need to be mindful of the benefit providing an element of
external amenity space for current and future occupiers of the flat, a position
supported by the London Plan standards for flatted development.