Seven Ti Frame: Geometry advice required

A friend of mine is going for a racy custom titanium from Seven and is unsure on geometry. Not my area of expertise either so he wants to know what questions he should be asking the builder and what dimensions he should be going for.

He has also had a recent fit which can be attached if it helps.

Thanks

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I would have thought that the builder should be advising / deciding on the geometry especially seeing as it's likely to be a hugely expensive custom experience???

I’d go to a seven dealer who does bike fit too.

80mm bb drop!

@JB 👍🏻

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That geo looks very like your friend don’t need custom.

How you getting on with your new custom geo Stinner?

Don't Seven frames start at like $6k? Surely they can sort out the geometry. Or you can just copy the one from a bike they like the ride quality of. I'd be looking at steep angles and a short wheelbase.

The other day I had a chat about the bike with a very, very nice man in America; who when I asked for his name at the end of the conversation turned out to be Aaron.

When can I come and see it?

Same

Think of the stability!

@dancing james does it really matter? I never understood why you'd want a fitter to draw the geo, that's not his/her job. Once you have your contact points established by the fit the builder can make the decisions regarding angles and tubes length etc...

I’d expect the fitter to communicate contact points to builder and the builder to come up with geo. It always seems odd when the customer specs geo - unless they are super experienced.

Agreed.

I'd think the most experienced builders would find it very annoying if you were to tell them how to do their job anyway.

@scultura - which Seven dealer has your friend visited?

The Seven dealer should fill out Seven’s questionnaire, take your mates current bike measurements, ask questions about how they think it fits and rides and go from there. Dependant on the dealer, they should also get your mate on a fit bike, get them into their ideal race position that’s comfortable and take their X / Y.

That is then sent to Seven. Seven’s design team then look at the measurements and notes on the questionnaire. They schedule a 20 minute interview with your friend to discuss the type of riding your friend is gonna do on the bike, what they’d change about their current bike fit wise, desired ride characteristics and so on. Seven then design a frame, send it to your friends dealer and your friend and the dealer sign it off.

It may seem like some of these steps are being repeated but this is to ensure that both your dealer and Seven sense check each other’s work.

Question: which dealer Has your friend visited?

Unless it wasn’t made clear to him: that is not a Seven frame design. That is a basic measurement mockup from your friends Seven dealer.

This is a complete Seven frame design. It sounds like your friend is yet to speak with Seven? Let the performance design team do the talking. They have questions for your friend. The only question I asked was: can I change the decal colour? The rest were asked by Seven.

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I don't think the OP was saying it is a Seven geo drawing. Wasn't he just saying it was from a recent bike fit?

No, I know, but OPs friend should leave the geo up to Seven and the fit up to Seven and the retailer selling the Seven.

Just laying it all out for op and others reading this who may not know how sevens process works. You go to a builder like Seven because they’ve designed over 30,000 individual custom bikes. They’re the experts. IMO anyway. OPs friend shouldn’t be worried about geo. That’s Seven’s job.

Edit: misunderstood. Yes, I see that it's likely a drawing from a recent fit.

@scultura has your friend actually visited a retailer yet? If not, get them to go to Cyclefit if they'd not already planned to. They're experts, Seven are experts and your friend will come away totally satisfied.

Thanks everyone for your responses. Its the first good bike he has bought and just not 100% sure on the process and wanted some peace of mind before he got any further in. I'm not fully aware of his concerns and knew I would get some better answers on here which he can now see and feel more reassured.

Will update in due time and eventually post a final product.

I’m in the middle of the process now with a dealer that’s owned by an ex-Seven member of staff and bike designer and the process has been stellar. Your friend honestly has nothing to worry about from the process side.
Which is why your pal should go to the best dealer that he can - hence the recommendation for Cycle Fit. Sigma are great, too, but Cycle Fit is the biggest Seven dealer in the UK and has a more direct line of communication with Seven than anyone else.