Seven Axiom S

Awesome! Any additional extras on the forks? Mudguard eyelets, rack bosses etc?

I’ve been looking to get a surly steamroller fork modified for my Moots - I want low rider rack mounts and dynamo cable routing 👍🏻

What colour you going to paint it?

Black powder coat with clear coat.

Nope, not a single boss or eyelet. Was gonna get rack mounts, but decided against it. Very much a conscious decision. I don’t require a rack on this bag and if I ever do, I’ll use a frame bag. Didn’t want to make a fork geo change that was done mainly to support the weight/handling of a bag if I never use one.

Just want the best riding fork possible.

Cool cool sounds good 👍🏻

edit: just a thought... what about getting a Surly pacer fork for this to try?

well, it’s the heaviest fork in the world. Also, I want to keep the geometry exactly the same as was designed by Gaulzetti and Seven. Craig’s biggest thing is ‘putting the wheels where they need to be’. I think it’d be an injustice to move the front wheel from where he designed it to sit. A pacer fork will quite dramatically reduce my front Center and increase toe overlap and fundamentally change the handling of the bike, primarily due to my 71° HTA.

ah, yeah understood - I looked at rake and thought it was the same as the enve... it's not anyway...
do you know what tubing you’ll use for these?
looking forward to progress with this!

Yah. 50mm on mine...

John suggested Columbus .9mm 28x19 oval blades.

He knows best 🤷🏻

If you want this to handle like the pacer dont the rear wheels and your contact points need to be in the same place with respect to the front wheel?

Could you just get a pacer fork and then seven to recreate the frame in titanium?

#lfgsslogic

The whole handling will be fine with the correct bar tape.

Obviously ignoring the sarcastic part of your question, but addressing the first part:

I don't want the bike to handle like the Pacer. They are inherently different frames. I want the fork to have the same characteristics as the Pacer's fork, which I mentioned above.

I'm looking at it this way: I worked with Seven on tuning the frame to my specifications and then I put a one-size-fits-all fork on there. The fork is the same for a 65kg rider as it is for a 120kg rider. That makes no sense. Because you wouldn't build the same frame for a 65kg rider as you would a 120kg rider, so why do it with a fork?

Hence my desire for a fork that is tuned to how I want it to ride.

You need kids so you stop over thinking stuff like this.

yeah only one child wont do ..

Perhaps. Fundamentally I've ridden a nicer fork than the Enve that I currently have and I want the nicest fork I can get 🤷

See if you can find NOS Serotta forks.

They did make different carbon forks for different riders. And Ben resisted moving away from 1 1/8 steerers.

You need a fork off.

#inbeforeSchick

Lol. One thing I will always love about this forum is the unwanted consumer advice. I didn't ask for alternate carbon fork suggestions. This is a done deal.

What you want to do mate, is get disc brakes, everyone knows they're better.

Oh get rid of the campag too, everyone knows its awful.

Have you considered 1x?

E-bike it’s what all the cool kids are getting just ask @amey

Did you consider a ti bladed fork?

I am genuinely surprised you havent bought an eBike yet ..

No. Want classic looking curved blades as per:

A very nice look too. Any idea why Ti can't be used for forks this shape?

Over on vSalon, Tom Kellogg said:

' Titanium does NOT dampen. That is why they use the stuff for valve springs in high performance engines ... it is super springy. The other, and bigger issue is that titanium has a modulus that is about 64% of steel's. To make a titanium tube (read, steerer) as stiff as a steel tube, you have to either increase the thickness by over 50% or increase the diameter by close to 30%. For practical purposes, diameter can't be increased that much since it won't fit inside of a headset. The diameter solution works fine for frames since there isn't a practical diameter issue there, but for forks, it is a real problem. I have ridden titanium forks, sorry, they don't work well enough to make sense. There are a whole bunch of steel and composite options out there, just go with one of them. '

So, generally, when you see a titanium fork, they're big and beefy with big fork blades, which don't like to be raked like a steel fork blade can be, because the blades don't taper toward the fork end. It just doesn't make sense to use it as a material on a road bike. The fact that Moots, Seven, Eriksen etc etc don't and haven't ever made Ti forks says it all IMO.

Too springy. I've got some titanium MTB forks, and despite being a double crown design the amount of deflection is alarming. On a technical descent the front wheel is very rarely pointing in the same direction as the handlebars. Very comfortable, but not exactly precise on the handling front.

Edit: too late, what JB said.

I had some single crown Ti mtb forks. I rode them, once.