That Starmer fella...

I lol'd

Bottom right is 🔥

fucking superb work tbh 👏

I think this is a pretty decent analysis of why Starmer scrapped the £28 billion green energy plan:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/11/scuttling-his-flagship-green-policy-sir-keir-starmer-has-imperilled-his-credibility

I'm definitely on the side of the optimists, Labour has to offer something to the electorate that both resonates and offers a brighter future.

As I understand it, Labour had only allocated about 10billion of the money. Putting a number on something 3 years out from an election the dumb move. In reality dropping this pledge isn’t about this election, it’s about the next election and being about to say they’ve delivered everything in there manifesto.

Can't be accused of not delivering if you don't promise anything in the first place

Smart

Well, yes but for a jaded electorate who have just worked out they’ve been lied to about the sunlight uplands of brexit and the promises of levelling up they don’t want grand plans, they’ll settle for general competence and there mortgages not doubling over night.

Currently there are 3 pledges I’m focused on, getting our workers rights back. Driving water companies that pump shit into our rivers and seas out of business and focusing on EU relations rather than the US.

I’ll happily accept 20% of what I want rather than 100% of what I don’t want.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68280098

Should've happened 36 hours ago. Shambles.

Honest question. Does starmer have any control over the candidate until he is in the house? I thought the limit of his power was who has the whip in parliament?

Institute for government says that it's an NEC and local party decision to choose a candidate.

Edit: does it being a by-election make a difference?

Once the candidate is selected by the CLP (and there are loads of ways for a leader to influence which option get put in front of a CLP) there's not much Starmer can do about it apart from remove the whip, tell everyone that he no longer represents Labour, and stop campaigning for him. It was obvious that this needed to happen 36 hours ago and the sorry sight of Labour reps going out to bat for the guy over the last 48 hours was utterly awful.

I don't actually think the benefit of the doubt extended to this guy is due to factionalism. I think Galloway is a bigger factor here than factionalism. But god knows I can't blame anyone on the left of the party who sees it that way - it would be entirely reasonable to do so. What a mess.

Thanks for that.

I agree they were probably looking at Galloway but given this seat is for 6 months max just take the damn hit and disavow the candidate.

Those Lancashire Labour lads are a rum bunch...

https://order-order.com/2024/02/13/exclusive-labour-ppc-graham-jones-recorded-ranting-fking-israel-wants-british-jews-fighting-for-israel-locked-up/

50 Shades establishing discipline (or a leak about a leak)..

https://archive.is/vDMvw

yeah taking part in a genocide shouldn't have any ramifications should it.

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this aimed at me? (genuine q, am autistic, struggle to read intent sometimes)

cos if so lol, lmao even

No. It's a pre-emptive strike at the Centrist-dads before they start justifying Starmer's reaction from a realpolitik pov.

Anyway, on that note....

No. It's a pre-emptive strike at the Centrist-dads before they start justifying Starmer's reaction from a realpolitik pov.

I don't think we would, would we? I think some things should be beyond realpolitik and (justifying, excusing, turning a blind eye to) bigotry is one of them. But even from a realpolitik perspective, Starmer's made a complete hash of this - he should've removed the whip from Ali within 24 hours, not wasted days defending him. He's damaged his own reputation on antisemitism and allowed the conversation to resurface when it had been more or less put to bed.

Equivocation on antisemitism is equally vile irrespective of whether it's Starmer or Corbyn doing it. Say what you like about us centrist dads, we do at least try to work from a position of principle.

they do love some realpolitik those centrist dads

thanks for the clarification, I think some of it is not being that familiar with some of the posters politics too.

Say what you like about us centrist dads, we do at least try to work from a position of principle.

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I mean, go for it. I'm not remotely defensive about any of this stuff - I've always tried to avoid defending stuff in an ideological ally that I wouldn't tolerate in an enemy. I won't say I always get it right but at least I try.

Nope

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-mega-poll-predicts-tories-32121361

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Me and shorty taking over the world

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