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  • maybe a curry too.

  • I bet he plays on the right wing.

  • Dreams of playing centre forward but keeps getting forced out on the right wing to try and counter all the insane substitutions and positional changes the other team are making.

  • lads lads lads....


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  • Oh that’s good.
    There’s been polling recently that most people don’t agree with the current House of Lords situation, but also that an elected chamber wasn’t preferable either.

    Will be nice to see how this changes that conversation.

  • Particularly interesting given the recent suggestions from Lord Louth too:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ConUnit_UCL/status/1593219861588893696

  • Deffo an adidas lad, can’t tell whether mundials though

  • Meh.

    The Lords has been a [constitutionally limited] voice of temperance and calm over the recent years of populist madness.

    An unelected element to the legislature reduces the danger of the cult of populism and the damage of the necessarily short-termist goals of the elected chamber.

    Park.

    Life.

  • There are some great experts in the HoL that actually take their roles seriously. But the way that outgoing prime ministers can stuff in their mates and donors is risible. The bishops and aristocrats is a bit shit too.

  • There are some great experts in the HoL that actually take their roles seriously.

    Heading back to the early 00s here but I used to do some work for Lord (at the time but latterly Baron) Ackner. He devoted his retirement to trying to tackle the low rape charge/conviction problem. Was pivotal in changing the law to allow a husband to be convicted of raping his wife. A genuinely decent human being who turned up to the Lords to champion his causes right up until his death. As you say, there are some gooduns in there. And also a lot of cunts.

  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/22/keir-starmer-promises-end-short-term-fix-foreign-workers

    This would not have been out of place at a Vote Leave rally. Just more of the same anti-migrant talking points that have been repeatedly debunked.

  • Just more of the same anti-migrant talking points that have been repeatedly debunked.

    Like what?

    Isn't his point that the need for high immigration is part caused by lack of investment in the UK and that its not a long term fix to bus people in to fill the gaps?

  • Good point.

    Whatever failings recent governments have had, you can't accuse them of not investing for the medium or the long term in the domestic populations work prospects.

  • There are 47,000 nurse vacancies in England as of last week and as of April there were 1.7m people unemployed in the UK who were actively looking for work.

    Is it really vote leave territory to suggest that the government should find ways (free training and better pay and conditions) to convert some of those 1.7m people to nurses instead of depending on EU agency nurses? I don't see it myself.

    We've had over a decade of hammering public services through shitty pay and conditions and budgets. That needs to change.

  • Is it really vote leave territory to suggest that the government should find ways (free training and better pay and conditions) to convert some of those 1.7m people to nurses instead of depending on EU agency nurses? I don't see it myself.

    The government can do all of that without making any changes to immigration rules. Why tie the two together? It's good to train people at home. It's also good if people want to come here.

  • Why tie the two together?

    Because most businesses will take the cheap option, and if they can get someone with ten years experience from abroad for the same price as the person you'll have to train up in the UK then there is a pretty good chance that they'll be taking that cheaper option.

  • In other words the same reason why various EU countries have a law that states that all jobs have to be advertised domestically for a period of time before they are opened up to international applicants.

  • Also worth pointing out that Starmer hasn't actually said that immigration should be reduced if there is a genuine need. From that article:

    Starmer refused to say whether he wanted overall immigration figures to come down, saying he was not interested in setting “arbitrary numbers”, effectively admitting there may be a short-term need for more visas to help businesses with a lack of staff.

    Its not as if we can solve this overnight. And Starmer isn't actually proposing any changes to the rules in the short term, so maybe @NickCJ's both at once thing will happen anyway.

  • I haven't seen convincing evidence that restricting access to skilled overseas labour incentivises companies to invest in domestic training. There's an equally compelling argument that restricting skilled labour supply just depresses productivity and reduces the UK's competitiveness.

    I don't think you can rely on the private sector to provide the skills the modern economy needs - that's the job of government, and you'd expect a Labour government to recognise that.

  • various EU countries have a law that states that all jobs have to be advertised domestically for a period of time before they are opened up to international applicants

    The UK has this (or at least used to have it) for non-UK/EU applicants. I remember having to do these interviews at a previous employer and it was a total farce. You'd have a candidate in mind, then "tick the box" for a couple of UK/EU candidates.

  • So does UK, its a farce. Free ad on Jobcentre website for a month and done. I remember posting an ad on behalf of my then employer for my own job.

  • How many EU applicants did you get for the role?

  • zero applicants, EU or otherwise, if you are a multinational company you can advertise on your own website

  • "Migration is part of our national story - always has been, always will be. And the Labour Party will never diminish the contribution it makes to the economy, to public services, to your businesses and our communities. But let me tell you - the days when low pay and cheap labour are part of the British way on growth must end. We will expect (businesses) to bring forward a clear plan for higher skills and more training, for better pay and conditions, and for investment in new technology”

    The man's clearly Hitler.

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