That Starmer fella...

hippy knows

It's a cheap joke, for which I make no apologies.

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Wonder how much better Starmer could do if he didn't spend an hour on his hair each morning.

Is this what it's all about?

Its a thread thats lacking in real enthusiasm and ideas, and keeps going around in circles.

I see what you did there.

Right, thanks for the 20s of fun, I'm back off to ignore all politics again.

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Thank you. Came here to see if anyone had it.

It's one of the first things I've seen in a long time that makes me believe Labour could actually win

I think @ReekBlefs needs to get over their obsession with these marginal outfits

With love, these 'marginal outfits' were up until recently the faction who were running the Labour Party. You'll get no argument from me that these people are kooks, but they're also the people who can largely be blamed for Corbyn's failures over the last five years - the only difference between then and now is that now they no longer have the ear of the leadership. Do you think Corbyn would've openly defended Chris Williamson in 2019 (supposedly after Corbyn had sorted the antisemitism issue out) without receiving his advice Jewish Voice For Labour? That's who this is.

The people in my local CLP spend more time scheming to get my MP deselected than putting in groundwork to get Labour elected - a loophole only recently closed by Starmer's Labour. They remind me of the people in this thread who only post in order to put the boot into Starmer. And Christ, I get that - I've been bitterly disappointed by Starmer's failure to set the narrative. But until he makes a fuckup on the scale of Corbyn's response to antisemitism, or Brexit, or what have you, that kind of talk is utterly unjustified. Starmer is underwhelming. He has not led us to being found guilty of discrimination against our Jewish allies.

I'm also not sure Chris Williamson and Lowkey are representative of the 'labour left'

Here is Jeremy Corbyn telling Derbyshire Live that "Chris Williamson is a very good, very effective Labour MP. He’s a very strong anti-racist campaigner. He is not anti-Semitic in any way."

This is in February 2019. AFTER the M&S 'Jewish blood' comments. AFTER retweeting holocaust deniers. AFTER suggesting it was legitimate to ask 'The Holocaust: yes or no?'. AFTER retweeting Gilead Atzmon. AFTER attacking the Board of Jewish Deputies during the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre - all of which those Corbyn outriders attempted to defend.

If these people are not representative of the Labour Left, the Labour Left should not spend their time defending them.

The Cummings thing that was in this thread was a good read. His analysis of Starmer was pretty accurate and the rest was funny, particularly the asides to Hancock (of course) and Campbell. Didn't expect to read the whole thing.

Seemed accurate but I felt really dirty reading it.

It was good. This paragraph was the sickest burn on LFGSS posters:

The best educated people think they are rational and not susceptible to illusions and
stories while the public are irrational and therefore should be corraled by the priests of
the ‘cathedral’ (i.e Harvard, Oxbridge, NYT, Guardian), but the truth is that the best
educated are more susceptible to illusions and stories than the general uneducated public.
(E.g look at how elite graduates fell for Stalinist propaganda in the 1930s, and how elite
graduates were the suckers for conspiracy theories on Brexit/Trump/Russia/Facebook.
Nobody is easier for a propaganidist to fool than an elite graduate confident in their own
moral superiority, because if you get your mesage right they do most of the work for you.)

Some parts like that stink of his self perceived superiority over others, even whilst he derides that in others, he also likes a generalisation presented as fact a bit much.

Did anyone else read it in Adam Curtis’s voice?

Ha!

Current highlight:

The PM is seen as somewhere between a clown and a crook by most of the country. He is neither popular, in the sense Blair was in 1997, nor respected, in the way Thatcher was. He has botched covid, recovery from covid, and much else. He can’t get through a week without embarrassing blunders. He’s self-evidently not a serious person and doesn’t even try to be. And people think Starmer would be worse!

Starmer is a ‘dead player’.

[BED: Galaxie 500, ‘Listen, The Snow Is Falling’] …

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LOL.

“Mention of any of the bin Laden family.” lol

A CurtisXXCummings drop would be rad

I’d queue.

Brilliant!

Who's the geezer on the right?

Thoughts on Angela Rayner at PMQ's?