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This is all shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic, but when it's already on the ocean floor. Basically, the Tories now have absolute control of all material media outlets and social media. They've gerrymandered the constituencies and changed the electoral laws to suit themselves. They've withdrawn funding from any area that doesn't vote for them.
No matter what leader Labour have, no matter what policies they put forward, they're never getting a fair hearing, or a hearing at all. The UK is effectively a one-party state, and has been for some time. This thread is a bunch of Japanese soldiers in the jungle still fighting WW2.
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Good summary, but let's remember the time of 'the quiet man' Iain Duncan Smith etc. the Conservatives were in a similar mess. Things change in politics. Should be interesting to hear what Cummings has to say soon for example.
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changed the electoral laws to suit themselves
Mayors next
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Also worth noting that some Conservatives (like Matthew Parris writing in the Times) are lamenting the current populism of the Tories. In the absence of Boris' charisma it's possible that the "Labour heartlands" will ultimately realise that the Tories cannot or will not level them up as promised. There may be an opportunity for Labour to position themselves to reclaim those areas in the future. It's an unpleasant route to a desirable outcome, but it's worth noting how good the Conservative party have become at creating or manufacturing a crisis and then convincing (amnesic) people that only they have the solution, through a mixture of nationalism, anti-immigration, social conservatism and fear-mongering about left-wing economic policies.
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The other theme is the slow shift in the home counties, Labour actually picked up some council seats from what should be same Tory area's. They might of lost the red wall areas but if willing to compromise for once and go down the progressive alliance route have a chance of opening up new areas. One of the issues with the collapse of the UKIP/Brexit/Reform votes is they have consolidated with the Conservatives so there is one main party on the right but the left now have three parties to split the vote.
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rofl
It is weird though how busy this thread is but the politics thread is dead and the news thread has little politics despite everything going on with the Tories at the moment
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The Starmer effect.
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They've gerrymandered the constituencies and changed the electoral laws to suit themselves.
Isn't this still proposed rather than implemented?
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Not just Labour, but also the Greens and LD.
Unpopular opinion of the day, but one of the more viable routes to ending Tory rule is by uniting the anti-Tory vote via the fabled Progressive Alliance.
Given the events of the last week that's currently looking more realistic than turning around the giant turdberg flying the flag of flacid Blairism that Labour has returned to sailing in. And I imagine courting the SNP / Greens / LD's would take less nose holding for Starmer than trying to stitch the party back together, though obvious blocker being whether Starmer could push through support for indy ref 2 in order to actually offer anything to Sturgeon....
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Labour won't go into an alliance with the LD's and the Greens - they can't go into an alliance with themselves, so going further than that I suspect is beyond them.
What Starmer needs to win is a) time for the Tories to fail and b) for that failure to be recognised by the electorate, in the way that 11 years of Tory failure has not been recognised in for e.g. Hartlepool and instead has been pinned on Labour.
The gentle crumbling of the Blue Wall (as people seem to be calling Surrey and so forth) as the middle classes move away from the English Nationalist Party is always going to have a limit whilst we have the current crop of pensioners. Could we make it a requirement to re-test for your driving licence each year once you hit 65, in which case the new voter disenfranchisement scheme might be quite useful?
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Why is Labour so intent on demonising the only political and electoral success it's had over the last 50 years?
Blair's vote was propped up by a voter demographic that is now abandoning the party. Blairism did not "win" the traditional labour vote, it exploited it (and we are still paying for that).
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Doesn't this whole discussion suggest that there is no consensus on what the Labour party a) is or b) should be? If so, that's the issue, simple as. There is - to use a phrase I hate - no clear brand identity, and thus no clear strategy.
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First radio news headline today - Kier Starmer major reshuffle of shadow cabinet as a result of poor election results. That's just not a good headline! How not to form a positive impression in the minds of people only half paying attention to politics.