Ahem...Hambini?

Also, and maybe this is just me, but if I'm listening to someone who is telling me about something I don't know about, but they then move onto a subject that I do know about, and they're plain wrong, I re-evaluate the worth of the new information that they were imparting.

It might just be you!

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
– Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

Okay, wow. Just wow. I knew he was a cunt, but I didn't know he was a fucking cunt. On the strength of that, I'll certainly avoid giving him any clicks ever again, not that I was at all likely to tune in to his puerile ravings...

It's pretty damn awful how little redress there is for victims of this sort of vile harassment; I concur there's a degree of onus on the rest of us not to be bystanders when the inhuman corporations uncaringly facilitating this sort of shit are so unaccountable.

I don't want to even look like defending a dirtbag like that; apologies for my earlier assumptions. What a prick.

Mind you, he's small beer next to the lizard people who run the world; yet another toxic symptom of arsehole dominator culture. What a piss-poor excuse for a civilisation, eh?

The Spacey situation is strange though.
Would you say that you enjoyed his work before his allegations, and repulsed by it after?

And now that he has been found not guilty, is it ok to like his work again? Or despite the verdict do you still think he’s guilty as he still appears to be in the court of public opinion? Had your mind been made up?

Not sure why this has anything to do with Hambini, who doesn’t appear to show any appreciable talent, and comes across as an unfunny, unlikeable waste of space.

Are you really saying that what has come out about Spacey or Picasso does not stop you from enjoying their work?

I’m pretty sure this is not a normal situation, it’s certainly not how I operate. How do you possibly separate what these people have done from their ‘art’ form? I can’t imagine looking at/watching/listening to something that someone has made and not immediately and involuntarily making the link to their actions.

I wouldn't say it doesn't introduce a bum note, and certainly I agree that the legacy of someone like Picasso is right to be questioned ala Hannah Gadsby, but on the other hand I think we can separate the art from the person to some extent.

Consider Spacey - all his work was a collaboration with a great many others; should all that be thrown in the bin? It's easier to argue that he shouldn't be offered any more work, but some might even make a case against that point given he hasn't been found guilty.

I think this issue is an open question, and I'm wary of those who say there's only one right answer.

No one is right in bike land.

Not sure why this has anything to do with Hambini

The novel phenomenon of cancelling, basically

No one is right in bike land.

Everyone is wrong.

Except me :D

Michael Chrichton the racist climate change denier? I think I'll side with Neil on this one.

The Spacey situation is strange though.
Would you say that you enjoyed his work before his allegations, and repulsed by it after?
And now that he has been found not guilty, is it ok to like his work again?

Enjoyed it before, not after? Yeah definitely.

Now that he’s been found not guilty? Wasn't actually aware of this which is probably problematic in itself, I shouldn’t be judging someone based on not knowing all the details? There’s probably a whole host of issues to dissect here actually, do you believe that the criminal justice system is working properly, especially in the absolute clown show that is America etc etc.

I guess the modern world is so full of content that it can be easier to just err on the side of caution and avoid anything where there’s a possibility of this kind of thing. You might call that cancel culture but I think you can avoid someone’s content or work without forcing your opinion on others and I guess you might also say that that’s what’s happened here but in the case of Hambini there doesn’t seem to be much dubiety, infact, he seems to be fully embracing being a worthless cunt.

I am conflicted by Michael Jackson.

Haha, this is what I get for posting a quote without checking that the author is cancelled first, eh?

Wrong.

#hippyisalwaysright

I had no idea we have as many incels as the gaming scene...

Does this mean I can't enjoy Jurassic park any more?

Also, doesn't racist climate change denier describe most Americans who died in 2008 and didn't have the opportunity to apologize on social media?

I am conflicted by Michael Jackson.

Have this conversation often with mates who love the music and are happy to set aside the grooming and raping of kids. Can't really get my head around it. People don't often have the same level of cognitive dissonance with Gary Glitter's work or watch old Jim'll Fix It's on YouTube.

I don't / didn't listen to MJ post BAD.

I saw someone at the weekend wearing (ironically obv) a "Michael Jackson, Rest in Power King" vintage t-shirt

I’m the same with Marilyn Manson.

My wife and I were talking about this yesterday. What about Jonny 5, twiggy or the other band members? Should they be held accountable for another’s actions? How far can this be pushed? Surely no one can justify listening to lostprophets?

IMO there is no actual problem enjoying and relating to the art these people have created as in the context of time we didnt know.

But by 'enjoying' if it leads to their revenue, maybe its a bad thing.

Listen to MJ/Manson on Limewire (RIP) then donate money to RNLI or something.

Gary Glitter's work

People do seem to like that song that was used in Joker.

I think the kids are using kazaa nowerdays.

Jeez louise.

I think I reacted like Kombucha girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVN7eEkHJFo

Are you really saying that what has come out about Spacey or Picasso does not stop you from enjoying their work?

Real truth there, even thought I truly enjoyed some of their work, it’s a conscious decision to not give it any thought after learning more about them.

I was a huge Manson fan for a couple of decades.

CDs went to charity shop, t shirts are now rags for cleaning bikes, Spotify set not to play him and the biggest/most blatant tattoo I had has been covered.