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• #6827
quarantine hotels are self-paid
Do you know if Chinese citizens returning from abroad are treated differently? I´ve yet to come across reports on this as foreign media focus on what foreigners face when travelling (back) to China.
I studied Chinese politics and some simplified Chinese, although it was ages ago and I´ve forgotten most of the latter at least.
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• #6828
Why is there not guidance that all non essential work needs to stop?
I think it’s because they aren’t there yet.
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• #6829
I would highly recommend this, the Edo and Meiji periods are super interesting and give a lot of insight into modern Japan (imo). #historynerdalert
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• #6830
Even on something as clear cut abc important as this, Johnson can’t project a clear and unambiguous message. Completely unfit for office.
It’s a sad indictment of the British people that it’s taken a crisis like this to hammer it home.
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• #6831
Am I missing something? Isn't the current guidance here social distancing?
From .gov it doesn't look like that precludes leaving the home.
/genuine question
Current gov guidance is behind what we should be doing to really slow it down.
We should be in full lockdown, but as we're not we should be voluntarily doing what we can to slow it down... self-isolation is better than merely social distancing.
The way I view it: every individual needs to count the number of people that they come within 2m of within a day at fewer than 5.
So no... you're not missing gov guidance, but if you look at the numbers, scientist and Dr warnings of what's to come... we all should go further than the guidance to help it have a bigger impact on slowing things down.
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• #6832
An excellent rabbit hole like project for total three month lock-down would be study of Japanese history from 1600-present.
On the latter end of the to present spectrum, Embracing Defeat by John W. Dower was one of the best books I read as an undergraduate.
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• #6833
scary
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• #6834
Walked the dogs on Hampstead Heath yesterday, keeping off all the paths in the woodlands. People everywhere, picnics, beers, outdoor gyms packed.
While cycling home, took a wiggle through a largely deserted central Ldn. Shops which had deemed themselves essential to the nation included Royal Mile Whisky, Forbidden Planet and Prowler. I'm not sure Prowler is particularly suited to a world of social isolation.
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• #6835
All the memes I'm getting are either shit mum memes on our street's CV19 group or BBC prank ones from my mates group.
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• #6836
The way I view it: every individual needs to count the number of people that they come within 2m of within a day at fewer than 5.
What's the work behind this? Obviously the fewer opportunities for transmission the better, but this seems oddly specific. Having said that, for some people, quantifying it like this would probably be very helpful.
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• #6837
They're treated exactly the same - everyone arriving in Shanghai is now tested on arrival, whatever passport they hold. In Beijing everyone is quarantined, here in SH they decide if you need to be but anyone coming from 16 specific countries must quarantine. The shanghai newspaper publishes a list of all the new cases every day, listing where the people are from and nationality. Anecdotally, the planes are full of mainly Chinese nationals returning from overseas (students etc).
It's soooo easy to forget Chinese, the number of times I've stated at a character knowing I've written out the bastard thing 100 times but still can't recall it right there and then...
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• #6838
I spoke to my (74 year old) parents at the weekend, my mother was upset when I banned her from going to the shop to buy a paper, and the library to get some books - I've bought her a Kindle and had it sent to her house to replace the library, and my brother dropped a paper on the door step.
I told my father to go to the garden and get a couple of 2m bamboo canes, and to use them as speaking sticks - rest the end against the chest of the person he was talking too, and the other end against his chest. Obviously silly, but I wanted him to get a mental picture of how far away he (type 1 diabetic) needed to stay from people.
They're having building work done at the moment, so the garden is full of builders (one with a small child) digging foundations.
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• #6840
So how come this thread now seems to be calling for Marshal law?
Martial.
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• #6841
Builders shouldn't have small children on the job - even at the best of times, it's dangerous work.
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• #6842
I'd say it's equal parts panic and stupidity... I'm panicking because humans are so fucking stupid...
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• #6843
A Marshall plan though...eh we might need one of those again soon
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• #6844
Yeah, panic, fear, anger, frustration, confusion. It has to go somewhere and blaming an invisible virus is kind of a useless exercise. Such a shame we are like this, divisions form between people and sides are taken when we should be looking after each other. Wasted energy.
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• #6845
We could do with him right now...
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• #6846
Agree, the 'stay at home' podium doesn't capture the broader advice.
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• #6847
I've been trying to strike a balance for our household wellbeing.
Since my last supermarket run I don't think we have been within 2m of anyone. Although there may have been a couple of borderlines.
As an eg we went to Southend beach. Drove all the way down until we saw the general numbers thin right out. Family stayed in the car while I went to look at the beach. Only a handful of dog walkers, so we went and had a picnic. Probably no more than 20m near anyone 99% of the time, about 50-100m more often than not.
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• #6848
Around 10,000 troops are held at “higher readiness” in case of a civil emergency and this figure will be doubled in the effort to support public services amid the coronavirus outbreak.
The department announced on Thursday that it would redeploy troops to the UK after pausing a training mission in Iraq for 60 days due to the global pandemic.
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• #6849
Thanks.
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• #6850
Local builders going about their business as normal round here. Vans everywhere. I sympathize with them. They need to earn money. Surely a big chance of infecting people though.
All building sites are closed here now by government order. Same reason as @Velocio said, concern of spreading illness as people come from all over the region to work on sites here.
But the government IS asking for extra powers RE covid19 for two years with no oversight.
If is truly is libertarian he should ask for oversight then. That requires principles though :)