Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Very good article showing the origins. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html

With all the doom and gloom about, is there any data showing how many people have survived this? People who have contracted the virus, gone through the two weeks, and are now perfectly fine?

I had wondered how much of Italy’s struggles, were at least initially, the density of infection in one area. Meaning services became overrun quicker.
It also to my mind shows you can have very different situations that still have similar outcomes. Our infections were very spread, perhaps leading to more vulnerable people being exposed.

Worldometers has this.

None that are meaningful.
For optimistic modelling: https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

Boris Johnson is a libertarian so I think it's fair to assume he genuinely doesn't want a lockdown, it would go against all his beliefs. I honestly think he doesn't want to do it.

New Zealand to go into full lockdown from midnight on Wednesday: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/412403/all-of-new-zealand-must-prepare-to-go-in-self-isolation-now-prime-minister

say that last bit watching a bunch of builders across the road enter a house for another day's work having arrived from multiple directions, each coming from a different house... and me imagining the way that this continues to transmit it as it's played out across the country

Local builders going about their business as normal round here. Vans everywhere. I sympathize with them. They need to earn money. Surely a big chance of infecting people though.

There are so many threads in this sub forum now I'm loathe to start another, but it feels like there could be something dedicated to mental health, resources, a place to share advice and support. Does that already exist in this sub forum, or is there another thread on the forum that is the best to use?

I nearly started a similar thread in covid last week when tbh I was a sobbing wreck for most of one morning.

I think a new thread in the subforum could be useful.

Is there someone in the community who is best qualified to start it and provide resources etc?

One of my colleagues just came over to complain to me about a group of German businessmen who are quarantined in a hotel in Shanghai (at their own expense) and whose company sent them a crate of wine. For some reason she was really upset about this.

Also a restaurant in northern China made a banner saying (paraphrasing) "congratulations to the US on your coronavirus situation, hope Japan suffers from it for a long time". Now I remember why I rarely read the news here in China.

€25,000 fine for people in Germany (per person it appears) if they breach the 2M rule, or congregate in groups larger than 2.

Similar fines in Poland.

Is that the only way we are going to actually make this work?

While we´re at it, how about a thread on Sinophobia, which is costing lives around the world? I´ve so much to unload on this issue alone that my head´s about to explode.

Is that the only way we are going to actually make this work?

It will have to be. People here are still just of the opinion that the rules aren't for them. Do the rules about groups apply to families? He asks, not being bothered to read them. We are a family of 3 and despite not being in any of the high risk groups, we're behaving as if we are. Only going out for groceries (haven't done so since last Monday) or directly across the road to the woods where nobody else seems to be, thankfully. Also lucky to have a small garden and a child that is not yet walking.

Similar fines in Poland.

Is that the only way we are going to actually make this work?

I think our court service (post austerity) is so haggard that we wouldn't be able to process the fines, but yes - I suspect that it'll take the threat of a staggering fine to change behaviour.

The irony being people won’t be able to pay the fines, and if imprisoned won’t be able to keep safe distance anyway.

In the couple of minutes I was washing up and looking out the kitchen window just now down at my mum's place in Brighton I've seen about a quarter million in fines racked up then.

Yeah some of the ultra nationalism is horrible. Does your college disapprove of wine full stop or just in a quarantine situation. Fair play to them nice to have a glass of wine with your quaarrinte meal.

Local builders going about their business as normal round here. Vans everywhere. I sympathize with them. They need to earn money. Surely a big chance of infecting people though.

we have plenty of local builders at our ends. young, strong, fit blokes who feel immune to the current pandemic. And it doesn't matter that they smoke outside their sites/house conversions or drink after work in small groups on street corners.. but where are they all gonna get their greasy breakfast because all the cafes are closed.

€25,000 fine for people in Germany

Damn. They are not messing around.

https://mobile.twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241696164782669824

Italian mayors urging people to stay in in sweary language. If this doesn’t do the trick, then what?

WHAT PART OF STAY THE FUCK AT HOME DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND?

Rant over.

We need the army patrolling cities and parks across the country.

We are policed by consent, we need a detterant to make us adhere to the rules.

If BoJo would climb of the fence and impose a curfew backed by the army then (I'm sorry) we could flatten the sombrero.

He says from a his workplace where 1500 people still mill around touching the same surfaces breathing the same recirculated air.

Fuck sake Im asking for a curfew to be imposed and enforced by men/women with guns.

WTAF