Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Yeah most businesses in UK have X weeks at full/half pay before statutory kicks in depending on your contract-its hugely variable however and normally depending on your compliance with policy while sick or they can revoke it.

I wish my company policy was that generous...

The most tone deaf lawsuit in history;

Would ask to refrain from subtle ableism there.

Is criticising someone for not being able to sing in tune ableism? Genuine question here.

What's the expected end goal of the current lockdown employed by most countries?

Obviously the immediate protection of life comes before everything else, but is it possible for the pandemic to subside/go away long term without either 'herd immunity' or indefinite draconian measures?

I was happy to read that China's cases are going down while measures being relaxed, but this is a very contagious disease to which the majority of the population still has no immunity to. Is there any data yet to suggest it won't inevitably flare up again?

Vaccine discovery?

Obviously the immediate protection of life comes before everything else, but is it possible for the pandemic to subside without either 'herd immunity' or indefinite draconian measures?

Yes, production of an effective vaccine or eradication through some seriously draconian measures.

Is there any data yet to suggest it won't inevitably flare up again?

No. It may well do. That's the risk you run with the suppression approach. You take the brakes off the restrictions on personal movement and the like, you get an infection, and the whole cycle kicks off again because the vast majority of the population are still vulnerable.

Is criticising someone for not being able to sing in tune ableism? Genuine question here.

As an insult, yes, also applied to other such as blind as a bat, calling someone crazy, cripple, spaz, triggered etc.

If you prove spread is controllable are you not in a better place when it flares up again? Does it also generate trust in the public too?

Separate point; today's brief had a lot about the UK "beating the virus". I'm unsure what 'beating' will look like.

What about as a descriptor but not in a derogatory way? I'm a musician and people often refer to others as tone deaf if they can't actually tell what they are singing (for example).

I don't think there is another phrase that's used in that situation.

Cheers

oh sure, it's still early days to even think about long term effects (besides the economic one)

Being tone deaf is not a disability you melt

...meltist

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Yeah, so probably 6-12 months for a vaccine, and in the meantime fluctuating levels of continuing lockdown across the world to help health systems.

Undoubtedly better than 8000,000 dying in the UK alone, but definitely makes me wonder why people are talking about in terms of weeks rather than months.

Edit: Could some form of routine mass testing feasibly help in the mean time (along the lines of what's attributed to the success in Korea)? Allow greater levels of normality because flare ups are getting nipped in the bud earlier - or are all sorts of restrictions required for it to work?

First off, I was quoting from the article.

Secondly, whilst I take your point, I genuinely think this phrase is related to singing out of tune rather than towards people with hearing impairments.

But happy to refrain from using this expression out of context in the future.

Bats can actually see quite well before they've been eaten.

Because people can cope mentally if they think this is a short term thing and, as they adjust to what it means for their daily lives, become accustomed to the new normal. I think most people understand that this could be months rather than weeks, but it'll take time to accept that.

Before they are eaten and cause a pandemic....

First off, I was quoting from the article.

In hindsight, I should have checked, sorry for jumping on like that.

Even with that, it still a problematic phrase to use toward those who sing out of tune.

Don't apologise, Ed. It's fine to call it out if you think it's a derogatory comment. I'd not considered it previously, so it made me reflect and think about how it's used and whether that use is wrong.

Problematic because of the use of 'deaf' in the phrase, or because you shouldn't single people out for being unable to hold a tune?

That’s what I have after 2 years service.

https://www.lalibre.be/planete/sante/coronavirus-confinement-demain-a-midi-en-belgique-5e710b7c9978e201d8c0454d

Belgian lockdown, not quite clear yet what it entails. Probably same measurements as France

Social media doing my nut in:
-St Patricks events, people in pubs
-Couple went to fix 100yo nans fence
-Company citing not getting insurance and reason for keeping nights on, then inviting people to come
-people posting about supporting their local coffee spots etc

Support your local fucking ICU
lives > livelihoods