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contrast to those countries that have successfully beat the virus

Name them

Define beat

Thanks, so they all mutate and it is reasonable to expect this to? But what you are saying is it might mutate and become less serious (although how less serious?!); or die off before it has a chance to; or die off because it mutates to become more serious and kills off enough of its hosts to become manageable? And I gues my next questions are about immunity; can it be the case that some vaccines and some naturally occurring immunities are broad and beat the virus at mutating? Edit I just deleted most of this post because it was a brain-fart and I don’t want to be misinterpreted and add to anyone’s anxiety. Apart from my mouse friend’s anxiety, he should be afraid.

Sure.

“Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it.” — Sir Patrick Vallance.

Some videos of this same line:

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-sir-patrick-vallance-covid-19-herd-immunity-2449703

https://youtu.be/2XRc389TvG8

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-13/uk-s-chief-scientific-adviser-tells-itv-news-he-hopes-government-s-approach-to-coronavirus-will-create-herd-immunity/

David Halpern has also been on the news talking about herd immunity:

https://mobile.twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1238097745971421184

And hundreds more

YOU BASTARD.

GovErnMeNT cONtaiNmEnt POlicY BOunD tO FaIL NoW!

I have to say, with tales of 'patriotic singing' in Italy at the moment, about the only thing that could make this situation worse is if my neighbours start doing the same. i can barely tolerate their monthly karaoke night let alone this being a multiple household refrain of Brigadoon...

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Aw shucks.
That resource (nextstrain) is amazing though.

I liked hitting PLAY

Taiwan (50 cases, 1 death) has done pretty well.

It's like watching someone else play Plague Inc.

Orange baboon about to speak live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH4cp4dssGw

some light reading

A JOURNAL OF THE PLAGUE YEAR
By Daniel Defoe

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/376/376-h/376-h.htm

They have a vaccine?

50 cases

Identified

Near Whitechapel they dug a plague pit and tipped the corpses in but it was too shallow so when the weather warmed up and putrefaction set in the entire field heaved and bubbled like a lasagne in the oven

didn't know they had lasagne back then

I mean, yeah, like it's the fault of anti-vaccine Facebook moms that kids are dying of measles.

They're different things. Undermining a public health strategy will result in people not complying with it, and unfortunately regardless of how stupid you are you have the same ability as others to affect the outcome (through infecting others). Undermining Brexit will result in absolutely nothing because the average person has no influence over the outcome.

Edit: and because Brexit will be a catastrophe regardless

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Despite the plundering of dried pasta, the stocks of Parmigiano Reggiano seem unaffected, hope you choke on your poorly seasoned pasta you monsters...!

They're different things. Undermining a public health strategy will result in people not complying with it, and unfortunately regardless of how stupid you are you have the same ability as others to affect the outcome (through infecting others). Undermining Brexit will result in absolutely nothing because the average person has no influence over the outcome.

As I've said, the government response is perhaps the most realistic given public reaction to date and the probability that so many people won't comply so as to make stricter controls ineffective, however criticising policy is justified and may result in more action being taken, and more appropriate action at that.

Personally, I feel safer because of the additional measures Sturgeon put in place sooner and the fact she's been consistently clearer and more honest about what's going on and why. We had drive-through testing stations set up here incredibly quickly.

I still think schools should have been closed last week, and other major events cancelled sooner however, but I think the reality is that Scottish measures stand to be undermined by comparatively more relaxed ones down South so none of this will matter.

Good to know. Planning on Risotto tomorrow.

Yeah, it's really easy to fly from the balcony upstairs.

also, the measles situation is not comparable really, is it? That's nutty conspiracy theory that's not based on anything more than the faulty science of one man, not hundreds of well respected scientists expressing legitimate concern.

LVS (Local Vegan Supermarket) was insane earlier.

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"Furthermore, border controls with other European countries have been tightened with a suspension of the single border agreement."

Hardly "shutting its borders", is it?