Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

I get my science frlm the teaching nurse with a PhD (sorry for repetition)

Everything he vlogs is out of date a day later as with all news about this

Here's his latest.

https://youtu.be/PXcbF0uQVEY

it can live on your hands then you can be immune as you like but pass it from one person to the other by touch.

Unless you wash your hands

@skydancer I think some of the stuff you're saying is poorly thought out.

I'm sure it is...
I'm not the only one

Mrs started with sore throat and typical head cold symptoms a week ago - proper sore red nose type. She's been under the weather but not bed-ridden and is well on the mend. 3 year old has had slight cough and typical cold symptoms but 3 days of 38.5 (lowest) - 40.2 (highest) fever. Also have a two year old who has a bit of a dry tickley cough, no fever. Any advice on the feverish 3 year old - to be honest he's clearly poorly but still himself, a bit knackered and fed up but still eating a bit, chatting, playing games etc We're self-isolating of course as we finally got to the point a couple of days ago where we acknowledged we could have the virus #badtimes

Unless you wash your hands

AND every single surface you come into contact with that the virus could live on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uIv-JFguXU

Always worth watching one of the many videos with chicken and uv dye showing just how much stuff can spread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4wbqWA2qI8

What does this mean?

C'mon
We're in unknown territory
The cmo and Boris is giving advice, that differs from what other counties are saying and doing (1 case and lock down)
Who knows?

Went to concert to please my nearest and dearest. Full of coughing boomers as anticipated.

Probably dying now.

A parable of stupidity if ever there was one. (at least the concert was good, but still-going out shouldn't feel like Russian roulette)

I have a question.

Working on the premise that there is a likelihood of many deaths from pneumonia (due to insufficient intensive care capacity): Is it wise to look into what exactly what caring for someone with pneumonia at home entails?

eh... you mean taking a crash course in operating a ventilator, or removing blood, re-oxygenating it and reinfusing? Because that seems to be what the worst cases will need depending on how much their lung function is impaired, plus all the other stuff to actually try and limit symptoms and manage vitals.

Really don't see many people being able to even do the ventilator bit properly unless they've had training. Best thing you can do at home is have the basics of thermometer, paracetamol and things like honey and lemon, rehydration stuff.

(As a complete layman) I'd guess you'd want something that can help get oxygen into them, so any form of a ventilator or even a CPAP machine/mask.

Work has just changed tack to: "if your job permits, remote working is recommended"

I was struggling to understand the argument too. This explains it to a certain extent.

https://twitter.com/cdlbcl/status/1238187513610678278?s=21

The Gov in HK have been rubbish the general public and other health organisations have been good. Because of sars people were well drilled in what to do and expect.
Steady with the HK is China.

Replicating the Hong Kong approach. Maybe we couldn't do it fully, but are there aspects of the social distancing measures they have put in place that we could have adopted?

One difference is a very different mindset which we can see on the street between west and east. Your average westerners want to carry on as normal and moan about all the closures, the locals are much more cautious about things and want closures. The locals are something like 90% of the population so it’s their behaviour that has limited the spread. After the hotpot infection they stopped going out to restaurants at all, this stay at home behaviour has limited the spread as much as any government measure. As for those measures, schools are closed, parks, botanical gardens and all large indoor venues from the new opera house to sports halls were shut. Travel from infected areas had been stopped or controlled with mandatory quarantine in a government centre, these are mostly holiday villages with shit Wi-fi and a crap phone signal so a big deterrent. Pretty much all our cases now are imported or close contacts of imported cases.

Six weeks in and people are going spare, hiking trails are packed as it’s pretty much all you can do, kids are driving parents insane and people are begging to be let back into the office. They reopened some libraries, museums and sports halls this week to relieve the mental pressure a little.

Businesses of all types are failing and in large numbers, I was chatting to my favourite stall holder at the local market on Saturday, he runs an art stall selling his own paintings and those of his friends and he’s struggling. He pointed out all the stalls who have gone already and those packing up at the end of their lease. As you walk around their are more and more shuttered up shops. That’s the business you can see, workshops, factories and office closures are more hidden but are happening.

In short social distancing, whether by the government or by people making decisions not to go out works at stopping the spread but has huge economic impacts. Not all business will be able to ride out the storm.

The economic impact will be significant, but what's the alternative?

I'm super fucking cautious, if the infection rate started to grow where we are I wouldn't hesitate to batten down the hatches and stay indoors... I know I'm probably more fortunate than some in that I've got some holiday pay and savings to fall back on but fuck money, staying alive/healthy has gotta be the most important factor right now...

I just cancelled our Easter trip to Sydney, annoying but whatcha gonna do...

If he's breathing okay etc, I'd say let him ride out the fever.

The alternative (and not my view) is that you carry on as normal knowing that you’re going to kill of a large number of eldsters and people with underlying health conditions who either already are, are or will be, a burden on the state for years to come. Saving loads more than £350 million a week for the NHS and claiming a huge success in reduced waiting times a year from now for routine operations. Slashing the cost to the taxpayer of the state pension and making free TV licences for the few remaining over 75s quite affordable. Could also free up quite a bit of housing stock taking the pressure off the green belt for a few years. Shame HS2 hasn’t been built yet so you can shave 30 minutes off getting it around the country a bit.

Again, not my view, just proposing an alternative.

He's not UK based.

Neither am I but this is a U.K. based forum so I’m being U.K. specific in my response. There are similar alternatives for Oz with equally dark outcomes, most of which probably spare old polo hipsters.

Just had a case reported about 10kms away, worker at a KFC... Ruh-roh!

As expected ScuMo does exactly what Donny did yesterday, I expect BoJo to follow suit in a few hours...

Well, no, that's the point. Unless you can find me the bit with specific advice for babies in the info I linked to (or elsewhere on the .gov website)?

Yeah he is, certainly not any persistent/consistent shortness of breath etc - he's woken up, with a having cough but smashed two yogurts and wants to watch Countdown so he's 'himself' (weird little fella). I've got a sore that this morning so becoming paranoid and more certain we've all got it (of course we may well, most likely, not do. 2 year old up with a high temp too.