Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

There is no covid denial in any of my posts and surely someone should be allowed to express an opinion even if it is different to the bulk on here.

surely someone should be allowed to express an opinion even if it is different to the bulk on here

Nah, there's no free speech to the level of the US constitution.

do what ever you think is right then i guess.

Well I think the horse paste arguments usually end up with some sort of conspiracy theory about "big pharma" being behind governments not recommending it, rather than it just not working.

So maybe not covid denial, but adjacent.

@velocio I'm not in favour of a ban. @8b is probably wrong (I think everyone has pointed that out), but hasn't been hostile or a troll. Surely we can all handle hearing someone being wrong about something?

"Dr Tess Lawrie - a medical doctor who specialises in pregnancy and childbirth - founded the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (Bird) Group.

She has called for a pause to the Covid-19 vaccination programme and has made unsubstantiated claims implying the Covid vaccine had led to a large number of deaths based on a common misreading of safety data.

When asked during an online panel what evidence might persuade her ivermectin didn't work she replied: "Ivermectin works. There's nothing that will persuade me." She told the BBC: "The only issues with the evidence base are the relentless efforts to undermine it."

we can all handle hearing someone being wrong about something

It is moderately annoying when something this persistently wrong leaks past the block. I don’t see any value at all being added to the community by this user, and would support a ban.

There is a value to the rebuttals, which wouldn't have happened without the user.

Would it be better if we just shuffled this user off to an echo chamber where everyone agreed with them?

I concur with this.

FWIW whilst I wholeheartedly disagree with what @8b posts, and a couple of their posts are sandbaggy, for the most part they appear to be attempting to engage in good faith, despite how I feel about the content.

As @revenant. says, I think the discourse allows for a fair/appropriate indication of how the majority of the forum feels about the topics presented.

I'm not sure there's a democratic vote on a ban... I mean, it's just me, I make it up as I go along. I haven't banned yet, and yet I am aware... so this is basically a public reminder that misinformation on something that has killed millions and is still killing... not cool.

Come with data, facts, cited information... not misinformation.

nobel prize winning drug

Ivermectin did not win a nobel prize. The creators of Ivermectin won the nobel prize for eliminating intestinal parasites in humans and livestock.

Its also worth keeping Ivermectin's mechanism of action in mind:

Ivermectin and its related drugs act by interfering with the nerve and
muscle functions of helminths and insects.

They won the prize for discovering ivermectin, a drug thats gone on to save millions of PEOPLE. Did anyone actually watch the video I posted? I thought it was interesting to seeAndrew Hills body language anyway.

I find it funny that some people consider everyone with a medical degree to be some kind of de facto paragon of virtue and truth.

There's over 100,000 medical doctors in the UK and with a group that large you're bound to get a vast range of opinions about pretty much any subject. And there will be fair share of complete crackpots and nutters amongst that group. There are definitely crackpots and nutters out there that are smart enough to obtain a medical degree, but that doesn't meant that their crackpot views are backed up by the entire medical community.

I think it's very unlikely that there's a massive conspiracy to hide the supposedly amazing efficacy of Ivermectin as a treatment/preventative for Covid.

anyway I only brought ivermectin back up because someone did the class "horse medicine". I didn't come back to start arguing again. I just wanted to share my recent experiences like others have.

Did anyone actually watch the video I posted?

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"Merck - one of the companies that makes the drug - said there was "no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against Covid-19"

The horse medicine is a bit unfair as it IS used to treat types of human parasites as well. Well, parasites that live in humans, there's no general cure for parasites that are humans ;)

But unfortunately it won't do anything on Covid as far as we know.

Doctors are quite specialized to be experts, I am not going to comment on database performance as a QA staff. "but you work in computers" Ah yeah, but I haven't a clue about that bit of computers.

Somebody who doesn't work in the field of medicine dealing with helminth parasites may still get it wrong on Ivermectin even though they are highly qualified.

For all the sharing of experience stuff, I had it after being triple jabbed and am fine, it was mildly unpleasant while I had it. My wife got it nearly a year ago after 1 jab, this morning I've sat with her through an ESA and benefits compliance phone call because she struggles to remember things and talk properly, after small efforts she's stuttering more than taking so the calls took a while, they were in relation to an OU course she'd started pre covid and if the grants should affect the paltry benefits she gets. She got a distinction in her early modules but the last few have been cut down by the very helpful tutor to the bare minimum to hopefully get enough points to pass and defer until she can hopefully think again. Long covid has caused idiopathic intracranial hypertension, she's been generally pretty fucked since covid but after an eye appointment because she though she needed her prescription changing at the start of the year they picked up on the IIH. She had to suffer though a bunch of failed lumber punctures to confirm things, can't take a pressure reducing medication because of possible heart complications and the other treatment is an epilepsy medication that will hopefully mask the pain enough that she can lose some weight as that's apparently something to do with it, a side effect of that med can be increased pressure. There's an operation they apparently won't do until vision loss is at a certain amount (she's lost a fair bit already but it's like 70%), but that loss can likely be permanent at that point, seems very fucking stupid to wait. She's in a support group with thousands of people suffering the same, some have lost 5 or 6 stone and are at the lower end of their recommended BMI, most have said symptoms are the same or worse.
So you know, swings and roundabouts really.

wow how awful and incredibly unfortunate for her. i hope she recovers in due course

Holy fuck, that's awful. The stress that she'll be under right now will be making matters ten times worse. I hope she manages to get appropriate support at the right time.

Always surprises me that so few people think about long COVID, but I guess most people just don't take post-viral sequelae seriously or even realise that it happens/how life-changing they can be until it happens to them or someone close to them (and even then, it seems to be 50/50). It ain't minor.

Did anyone actually watch the video I posted?

No but I assume it was Tess Lawrie making the same disproven points again.

Wasn't it Tess Lawrie who first claimed that Covid vaccines make you more likely to die from Covid? Which is something that is only believable to people who look at the data without knowing what Simpson's Paradox is.

There's really not much support available unfortunately. Today's been a bit of a write off for her because the stress has made everything worse. I was going to nip out for a few beers and to ride around naked but am staying home now convincing her she's not having a stroke and planning hospital visits in my head around my daughter and work, weekend A&E aren't going to help anything though but I think I'm going to have to go with her in the week because she basically can't talk once things gets bit much. My mum is back up from looking after my sister on Monday so a little easier to arrange stuff and hopefully a bit of time chilling out will help, seems to be so far.

Sister has long covid having caught it in April 2020 (healthcare worker). Hasn't been able to work in over 2 years :(